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To: r9etb
So the hypothesis in regards to Biology would be “this complex metabolic pathway was the result of an intentional act by an intelligent agent”?

So what intentional act and what intelligent agent led to the development of citrate plus e.coli?

If one can tell that a gene modified organism was the result of the intentional act of an intelligent agent couldn't this only be detected against the background of an organism that the majority of the genome was not the intentional act of an intelligent agent but the accumulation of millions of rounds of mutation and selective pressure?

80 posted on 07/08/2008 9:33:39 PM PDT by allmendream
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To: allmendream
So what intentional act and what intelligent agent led to the development of citrate plus e.coli?

LOL! The old bait and switch. Rather than scientific evidence, you're now demanding something else, which is actually not necessary to support the hypothesis.

Your other comments simply confirm my point. You're raising "scientific" objections to the possibility of finding specific, observable signs of genetic engineering. You claim without proof that it would be impossible to show intelligent activity. Of course, the flip side of that coin is that it would therefore be likewise impossible to show that the phenomenon was a result of random processes.

Observable phenomena were your original criterion for a scientific hypothesis, and the burden would certainly be on the hypothesizer to to produce compelling evidence in intelligent intervention; and you seem to think it's impossible to isolate it. Then again, those other folks who can trace genes back for a long time don't seem to suffer from the difficulties you bring up.... So perhaps your complaint has more to do with personal emotional attachments, than it reflects any real scientific concerns you might have.

But the fact remains -- by your complaints you simply confirm the validity of the ID hypothesis, AND you kindly offer encouragement to those who might claim to be able to scientifically isolate "ID signal" from "naturalistic noise."

81 posted on 07/08/2008 9:59:11 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: allmendream; r9etb

//If one can tell that a gene modified organism was the result of the intentional act of an intelligent agent couldn’t this only be detected against the background of an organism that the majority of the genome was not the intentional act of an intelligent agent but the accumulation of millions of rounds of mutation and selective pressure?//

Wow that is a lot of words strung together. BTW just what is an organism in your dictionary?

Regards,


88 posted on 07/08/2008 11:32:38 PM PDT by valkyry1
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