FBI agent indicted in Chihuahua's shooting death

Tribune-Herald ^ | July 10, 2008 | Tommy Witherspoon

[thefactor]

show me where i said it was justified. i'll wait. it was handled horribly on all sides, more so by the govt since they are held to a higher standard.

but please, again, show me where i said it was justified. i merely implied that there are 3 sides to every story: yours, mine, and the truth.

[DuncanWaring]

“HNT” or “HRT”?

Who are “thos folks at ruby ridge”? Weavers or FBI?

[Orange1998]

Oops! Got the two confused. My point is someone can get off Scott free shooting a woman holding a baby but you will be held accountable for dog sniping . Both agents showed poor judgment and should not handle a gun.

[thefactor]

but you find the sentiments such as those expressed in post #19 to be perfectly acceptable?

keep those comments coming boys. it shows us cops just who we are protecting.

[KarlInOhio]

The main thing protecting Horiuchi was that someone above him issued a "can and should shoot" order. I forget the exact wording, but it was essentially a death warrant for the Weaver family. The Clinton administration didn't want that investigated so the whole thing was buried.

No doubt about it that Horiuchi should at the least still be looking at the outside world through bars, but the Clinton's malfeasance in that case shouldn't let this sniper off.

[MaryFromMichigan]

Not to worry.
Most folks here respect and appreciate your work.
I know I do.

[IYAS9YAS]

Apart from the fact that these Horiuchi and Ledger are both FBI agents, I’m not sure how you reach the conclusion you have.

Should no FBI agent be held accountable for their actions until Horiuchi is? The 2 cases could not be more different, one is quite cut and dried, and the other, not so much.

The case against Horiuchi is cut and dried. He may have been given the okay to shoot, but he killed innocents without regard and with prejudice. Neither the mother nor the child posed any threat to him. As a sniper with a scope, he was likely hidden and not in the line of fire, he had ample time to to assess without firing. Don't know your target, don't shoot, that simple.

You didn't quite get what I was after. The jackass that shot the dog is paying for it. The jackass that shot two humans without justification is not.

Every FBI agent should be held accountable for their actions, especially when they take an innocent life.

[green iguana]

This guy shows poor judgment

Poor judgment? I'd say criminal contempt of the law. Shooting a dog for walking in front of his house? Throw the book at him.

[TChris]

A McLennan County grand jury indicted 39-year-old Lovett Leslie Ledger Jr. for cruelty to animals, a state jail felony punishable by up to two years in a state jail and a $10,000 fine. (Emphasis Added)

Could we please put some sanity back into our laws???

This is clearly out of line with the rest of the criminal code, and that's pretty bad already.

This case illustrates just why such overreaching legislation is a Bad Thing.

Repeat after me: Pets Aren't People

[SnakeDoctor]

>> A local FBI agent who reportedly shot and killed a 3-pound Chihuahua named Sassy in front of his home near Lorena in February was indicted Wednesday on felony charges that could end his career.

The FBI should promote him. It takes a hell of a good shot to hit a tiny little yapping hyperactive rat dog.

H

[mad_as_he$$]

Sad isn’t it.

[Orange1998]

Around here many will differ. Now if it was a cat the Vikings would call out.

[SnakeDoctor]

>> Could we please put some sanity back into our laws??? This is clearly out of line with the rest of the criminal code, and that’s pretty bad already. This case illustrates just why such overreaching legislation is a Bad Thing. Repeat after me: Pets Aren’t People.

Exactly. This is destruction of property, not murder. He should have to replace the dog, pay a fairly hefty fine — and probably be reprimanded for discharging his weapon without justification.

Misdemeanor at best, and certainly some professional penalties. I don’t see throwing someone in jail for shooting a dog.

H

[TChris]

Misdemeanor at best, and certainly some professional penalties. I don’t see throwing someone in jail for shooting a dog.

Exactly.

There should probably be stiffer penalties for actual cruelty (torture, etc.) of an animal, but a quick kill, no matter how misguided, is certainly not felony material, IMO.

If there is mental anguish, as there likely would be, on the part of the owner, then the owner can sue the perp in civil court.

[mad_as_he$$]

Let's see the BATF (the a$$clowns of Federal law enforcement) spent several years trying to trap Randy Weaver into making an illegal gun. One that BTW was disputed as to the illegality in court. Then they got a warrant on the affidavit of a real head case. Yes Randy missed a court date because he was scared of the Devil- I do not blame him for that. They then sent the US Marshals to spy on Weaver on his own property. When his son tried to defend the property they shot him in the back and killed the family dog. Then the murderer Hourichi and his friends showed up and MURDERED a woman and a baby at the door of their own home. Randy was/is a separatist - he just wanted to be left alone. He minded his own business and was a good neighbor. I met Randy about 7 years ago. All's I could do was look in his eyes and tell him I am sorry for what my Government did to his family. He looked back into my eyes and said it was OK - he understood. I suggest you find Randy and look into his very sad eyes. Last I knew he was living in Arkansas.

I actually do not care what ANY body from the Federal Government has to say about Ruby Ridge. It was wrong and I lost complete faith in the FBI on that particular day. They are nothing more than assassins with badges. Recent other violations of the public trust prove my position on them to be accurate. When they come for me I will resist with every available tool.

Oh and the murderer Hourichi was also at Waco.

[Tahoe3002]

F B I = Famous But Incompetent

[Mila]

"No doubt about it that Horiuchi should at the least still be looking at the outside world through bars, but the Clinton's malfeasance in that case shouldn't let this sniper off."

If your talking about Ruby Ridge, our president at the time of that incident, August 1992, was George H.W.Bush. Clinton took office in January of 1993.

[KarlInOhio]

If your talking about Ruby Ridge, our president at the time of that incident, August 1992, was George H.W.Bush. Clinton took office in January of 1993.

The coverup and protecting Horiuchi from trial happened under Clinton.

[thefactor]

ugh. my bad. i was thinking of our hostage negotiation team. but of course it's the fbi's HRT.

"those folks" were the weavers but as i said it was handled badly on all ends. more so by the feds.

[thefactor]

the FBI benefits from the best PR on the planet. they couldn’t find water if they fell out of a boat.