Posted on 07/11/2008 11:09:17 PM PDT by flyfree
They have done this to coal too.
I can't stand hearing about "dirty coal". They purposely conjure up images of 10 year old kids in B&W pictures from 1910 coming out of coal mines with black faces.
The reality is, the dirt from coal is kept in the mines and in the power plants. The public is not exposed to coal. Precipitators remove the flyash which is used in plaster board and concrete. Massive sulfur pollution is a thing of the past when scrubbing or using low sulfur coal. NOx has be dramatically reduced by plant modifications.
I reality, the bulk of the stack "pollution" is CO2 and water.
Brazil is a 3rd world country and hasn't done anything. We have 250 million gasoline cars in the U.S.. There is an order of magnitude difference between the number of cars in the U.S. and Brazil. .Brazil has only 3 million 100% pure ethanol cars and it took them 30 years to do that. 80% of Brazil's transportation vehicles run on oil. Do the math. You liberals are not good at math or reason or logic are you? We have plenty of oil.
If you liberals, your mainstream Democrat media,Democrats, or the government idiots smearing the oil companies can produce an efficient, reliable, affordable, usable alternative energy car with OUR resources (We don't have vast amounts or any sugar cane) then do it. Why Why Why don't you do it instead of just progandizing? Why because you liberals can't even dig a hole in the ground much less build a car that works reliably.We have plenty of oil so why even go through the trouble of doing that anyway?
But you think that other companies can just magically produce 500 million reliable cars in a year. There are many companies trying just that and not just blaming oil companies like you and the media are. But they have not created yet a feasible car that can be cost effectively mass produced and that people will buy and that works. And again the U.S. doesn't have vast amounts of sugar can but uses corn for ethanol which is NOT efficient. You are liberal or are brainwashed by the liberal media.
Oil companies are not stopping anything. U.S. oil companies control only 3% of world oil reserves. So your post is pure smear,slander and liberal/Marxist propaganda.Show proof that oil companies are stopping other energy sources. Name names. Of course you have no proof because you are just repeating liberal moonbat conspiracy theories. The U.S. government has actually mandated corn ethanol production and subsidies. Corn ethanol cars use more oil than pure gasoline cars without ethanol. Ethanol use has raised the price of corn and not lowered the price of oil. It takes oil to make corn ethanol.
We have trillions of barrels of oil in oil shale in the U.S.. It's just that the Democrats in Congress won't let the oil companies at that oil. Why don't you want us to get that oil? what's your agenda? Why are you unfairly smearing the oil companies.?I don't know why the oil companies don't sue all those slandering and libeling them like you should be sued. I think you are a liberal and a Democrat operative.
With oil prices at an all-time high, Americans are facing escalating gas, diesel, and aircraft fuel increases. Oil prices are projected to increase further. Congress, however, has made it illegal to develop vast domestic oil resources in large parts of the United States. The most startling Congressional prohibition on domestic oil production concerns the recently enacted ban on the development of oil shale resources in parts of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming in the Green River Formation. According to a Rand Study estimate, this reserve contains over one trillion barrels of oil, with 800 billion barrels fully recoverable, or three times the current oil reserves as Saudi Arabia:
Brazil has been working on their dumb ethanol program for 30 years and all they've been able to replace is 20% of the transportation vehicles. That means fully 80% of transportation vehicles still run on gasoline or oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil
"The success of "flex" vehicles, as they are popularly known, together with the mandatory use of E25 blend of gasoline throughout the country, allowed Brazil in 2006 to achieve more than 40% of fuel consumption from sugar cane-based ethanol for the light vehicle fleet,[14][2] and represents almost 20% of total fuel consumption in the road transport sector when trucks and other diesel-powered vehicles are considered.[15"
Coal is the second most efficient form of electricity. All you have to do is dig it and burn it. Not only did BJ clinton lock up ANWAR he locked up the largest los sulpher area in the Country.
If you like $5/gal, Thank Congress.
What I'm wondering is why GW Bush doesn't unlock both.
Stroke of the pen, law of the land. It was cool when Clinton did it, why doesn't Bush do the same?
Brazil has about, what, one car per 500 adults. We're around 1 car per adult. And we drive everywhere. It's a pipe dream to even think that we could produce enough alcohol to keep our population moving.
Plus, the price of Jack Daniels would go through the roof. That's unconscionable.
We have the resources within our borders to be energy independent. To make the changes required to use them to that effect will take time, but it can probably be accomplished within ten years.
Or - because it might take ten years - we can do that other stuff, you know, talk about conservation, raise taxes to fund empty buses and trains, mandate funny little light bulbs and tiny styrofoam cars with 12 horsepower, impose curfews and other restrictions based on arbitrary suppositions, and so on. Those things will work, and could probably be accomplished in ten years as well.
Or we can continue to sit on our hands.
Those are but a few options. Our future standard of living will be determined by the actions we take now. I know how I want to live.
sorry, but you and the other poster don’t know half of what you are talking about. There are very good electric cars available very soon and now in the case of phoenix motor cars. Here’s another one that will sell like hotcakes..
http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/products/cars/wise
We can get a good percentage of sugar or coal alcohol which will drop the gas prices quickly due to market competition. And the oil companies most certainly did put pressure on the car makers and the government in California with media ads that lied about the new electric cars feasibility. Just take a look at “Who Killed the Electric CAR” documentary at your local dvd shop. It is fact, not my spin. The oil companies did not want to see a growing cut of their market share of our energy needs...understandable, but very anti free market. By the way, I am very conservative, just as O’reilly is. Like I said, you are full of assumptions and false info thinking you know this topic so well. If you want to continue to unwittingly fight against the great innovations that are coming, go right ahead, but you are making yourself sound very uninformed.
And you contradict your own self. First you say that oil companies are stopping electric cars, ethanol etc. and then you post companies that are producing electric cars so that proves the oil companies are not stopping Anything.
I keep telling you that the U.S. is not Brazil .The only reason that BRazil has been able to replace only 20% of their transportation vehicles with ethanol is because they have huge sugar cane production which is not feasible in the United States because Brazil pays the people to harvest the sugar cane very low wages. Now if you and 20 million liberals want to work in Sugar cane plantations cutting down sugar cane for a dollar a day then move to Brazil because that won't happen in the U.S. and that's just one reason why the U.S. doesn't have huge sugar cane production - labor costs. Corn ethanol nor sugar cane ethanol is not viable In the United States as it takes tractors that require petroleum to grow corn and Sugar cane in the U.S.
So you use more oil than you save. Brazil doesn't need petroleum tractors as they have hordes of people that make very low wages, slave labor wages.
I am not against any technology . I am just debunking the Democrat talking points you are spewing, slandering and libeling oil companies that are keeping our civilization going.
I am for the free market working and may the best technology win, but for a FREE market free of government regulations and interference. If there is demand for your $40,000 little electric car then people will buy it and I am not against anyone buying what they want. But most of these companies are just starting out and there is no guarantee that they will even survive much less replace 250 million gasoline vehicles in the U.S. I wouldn't buy that untested car for $40,000 . That is too big a gamble to take when I can buy a cheap $2000 used gasoline car. In any event those 250 million gasoline vehicles that are now on U.S. streets will require gasoline for at least 5 more years , their lifetime. And nothing is replacing new cars as most at least 99.99% of new cars being made are gasoline cars. And most products are petroleum based. Those are facts that you liberals don't have the mental capacity to understand. Face it nothing is going to replace oil for a very long time . So you liberals better let the oil companies get that trillion barrels of oil in oil shale in the U.S. so that we can lower the price of gasoline. Why are you against that?
You are a liberal because you keep saying “we” should do this and that. By we I know you mean the government.I am not for telling anyone what to do but for the free market working free of government laws,and regulations and mandates etc..
I just think it is ridiculous that Democrats banned companies from getting that trillion barrels of oil from oil shale in the U.S . Why are you against getting that oil so that prices of gasoline will be lowered?
Any liberal can make some dumb documentary and make up lies just like Algore did with his global warming documentary and like the lying documentary you posted and the false web sites full of lies you posted. Anybody can make up a webs site and lie or make a documentary full of lies just like Al Gore did. Look how much the “news” media lies every day. But you obviously believe every lie the media says and anything on some dumb web site.
no, the link I sent for that great electric car is about $18,000 and the technology is proven. If you take a look at www.thetruthbehindhighfuelprices.com you will see documented evidence of market manipulations by the oil companies to keep the prices high. Either you are employed by the oil companies or you are just repeating things that you have heard, because wanting a free market for energy, which we haven’t had, is conservative! Duhhh...you again show your lack of understanding by calling me a liberal. Beleive it if you wish, even if it is a lie. If you bother to do some basic research, you will see that various oil companies pay alot of money to lease land and have only drilled on about 30% of it, so the shale oil stuff is besides the point. They are paying money for land and then not drilling, check it out...they like the tight supply, great for their bottom line and their stockholders...sucks for the average American though. Greed above the good of the economy...that’s not slander, that’s what the facts show. Why don’t you do some more research before you make more of a fool of yourself...please. Believe it or not, corruption occurs in some big companies sometimes, not just the government and it’s not liberal to expose it.
YOu keep repeating the deception that Pelosi and the rest of the Marxist keep saying to blame the U.S. oil companies for the rising prices. Not every piece of land that is leased has enough oil or any oil in there to make it worth drilling. From 2005 to 2007 U.S. oil companys have spent 265 billion in capital projects .That means they spent most of their profits to expand drilling. So they are expanding drilling where they are allowed to and where there IS oil. The democrats don’t tell you that that land that the oil companies haven’t drilled on yet is either being explored , developed for drilling, or that it’s been explored and there is no oil there. Marxists/Democrats, all they do is lie. To know the truth all you have do do is take what the Democrats/Marxists or the liberal mainstream media say and know the opposite of what they say is true.
Liberal propaganda makes no sense to someone who has a brain like me. If the U.S. oil companies could control oil prices and how could they if they only own 3% of oil reserves and the Middle East governments own most of the world’s oil reserves. If The U.S. oil companies could control oil prices then they wouldn’t allow the price of oil to rise so much that other technologies like electric cars, Hydrogen fuel cells, natural gas cars, ethanol etc. would be cheaper and more economical than oil because that would put the oil companies out of business. If oil were $40 per barrel there wouldn’t be any companies like that electric car company trying to develop electric cars because gasoline cars would be much cheaper to operate.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2030749/posts
Over the last several the major oil companies have been driven away from investing money in future exploration and production. The so-called Supermajors, Exxon, BP, Shell, Chevron. Conoco, and Total have paid more in taxes than they have invested in the oil business. For the three year period, 2005 to 2007 these companies have paid $292 billion in taxes and invested $265 billion in capital projects. Stunningly, Exxon has spent nearly twice as much buying back it’s own stock ($78 billion) as it has on capital projects ($44 billion).
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Also that electric car is built from a Toyota Yaris, so it is $40,000. How many years do you think it will take that company to sell 1 million of those electric cars? I’ve heard they only sold a handful to liberal celebrities. Well to replace 1% of the cars they will need to sell 6 million electric cars. And how long do you think that will take? It might take 10 years to make up 1% of the cars. that won’t affect the price of oil as demand keeps rising faster than supply by more than 1% per year. I won’t take a chance on an electric car without the infrastructure like repair shops to in place nearby. The Chevy Volt by GM seems like a safer bet . But that is $40,000 and coming out in late 2010. By then oil will be $400 per barrel and we won’t have any jobs and there won’t be any products on the shelves as our economy would collapse. You understand how long it will take to replace even 10% (60 million)of the world’s 600 million gasoline cars, much less the millions of trucks,tracktors, earth moving equipment, machines that run on oil. By then 10% will not make a difference.
The only chance we have is to open up all drilling, the trillion barrels of shale oil, develop nuclear power plants, use all coal to make oil, etc. The time is now. We don’t have decades to wait till electric cars are able to replace SOME of the oil. I’m not saying that electric cars should be stopped .I am saying that electric cars will take a long time to help and we should allow companies to develop whatever technologies they want to , electric cars, hydrogen, coal to oil , Natural gas cars, etc., the trillion barrels of oil shale, nuclear, more oil drilling etc. It will take ALL of these technologies to MAYBE help. Electric cars alone or alternative cars alone are not the solution. it is the Democrats stopping coal, coal to oil, the trillion barrels of oil shale, nuclear, refineries etc and as long as they stop those energy sources promising the people electric cars then we are DOOMED.
enjoy the food riots thanks to Democrats nd Democrat propaganda on the mainstream media which YOU and O’reily help to spread to brainwash people into thinking electric cars and ethanol alone can solve our problems. It is the media and you and O’reily who have caused this destruction of our economy because you brainwash people into allowing Democrats to keep our major resources like the trillion barrels of oil shale off limits.
Actually, yes. But in all liklihood it will be done in smaller, more distributed "chunks". I think the American people will eventually tell the eco-fanatics to **** ***.
If "I" were going to implement something like this, I'd start along Interstate 10 at Los Angeles. Every so many miles (10, 50, 100--take your pick), erect a 1 mile square solar farm. Lay a pipeline along the same right-of-way as the highway connecting those farms to carry generated hydrogen. When the system reached Atlanta, start working north along the Interstates.
I suspect that the end cost would be comparable to what we've already spent to build the Interstate system in the first place.
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