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To: flyfree

hogwash, we can and are doing as Brazil has done by buiding hundreds of alcohol refineries. We will be able to use sugar rather than corn. Brazil uses a majority of alcohol fuels and there is no reason why we can’t very quickly...along with elecrtic cars which will be coming to the front next year. The problem we have is a sort of brainwashing that even conservatives are under thinking that we must stick it out with oil as our main energy source. That is a lie and is suicidal if we continue with it. Also, nanosolar has incredible solar panels for much less cost and about 5x the efficiency. Big solar power plants on the way!


5 posted on 07/11/2008 11:39:59 PM PDT by fabian
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To: fabian
"Brazil uses a majority of alcohol fuels and there is no reason why we can’t very quickly"

They have sugar and we don't !

Using other biofuels to make alcohol use "MORE" energy to produce then they give back so it's not a good option plus they are causing worldwide food inflation that isn't worth it.

The best options are nuke plants and fusion and fusion isn't ready yet so it has to be the nuke plants.

7 posted on 07/12/2008 1:20:17 AM PDT by america-rules
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To: fabian

Several problems. Back in the 70s when I took physics and did the problem to supply the U.S. with the electricity we were using back then would require capturing all the energy falling as sunlight on an area the size of New Mexico. It would simply be too expensive to build and even if you built it it would have to be in a place like New Mexico where the sun shines. Pushing that much power East where it would be actually used would just not be feasible. Solar just don’t cut it. Great for heating your pool, though.

For the life of me I don’t understand the addle brained thinking of people. What in the world is the problem, we have 100 years of high grade oil and 500 years of oil shale and even more of oil sand. Drill here, drill now isn’t just a bumper sticker, it is only logical but I guess that is too hard for our politicians and high school drop out voters.


11 posted on 07/12/2008 2:42:19 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: fabian
The problem we have is a sort of brainwashing that even conservatives are under thinking that we must stick it out with oil as our main energy source

Really? I suggest, oh ye of little knowledge, that the reality is that we MUST stick it out with "oil as our main energy source" for the foreseeable future and anyone who suggest otherwise, is living in dillusion-land or simply willfully ignorant--which all libs and Environuts qualify under both criteria.

14 posted on 07/12/2008 3:14:39 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: fabian

Hogwash, brainwash....the parody of your post is just too much...soooo...all we have to do is plugin cars or buy sugar...if only you had a clue.


15 posted on 07/12/2008 3:28:08 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: fabian

Ethanol from Sugar Cane translates to oil at about $40 per barrel, but only if you buy the sugar at the international price and not at the the US subsidized price. In Brazil it’s viable because they don’t subsidize their sugarcane farmers. But even then it’s only a viable a supplement to gasoline not a replacement.


17 posted on 07/12/2008 3:54:14 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE - http://freenj.blogspot.com - RadioFree NJ)
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To: fabian
The U.S. has a trillion barrels of oil in oil shale in the western United States. But Democrats in Congress banned U.S. companies from getting that oil. So we do have enough oil just in oil shale in the U.S.. Plus we have massive reserves of coal that can be liquefied to oil, ANWR, OCS (80 billion barrels of oil) etc.. So why not use that oil instead of trying to develop unfeasible alternative energy sources?

You are falling for the liberal mainstream media lies that oil can be replaced soon with some kind of stupid alternative energy like solar, ethanol that doesn't work. With what alternative energy source are you going to replace 250 million gasoline cars in the U.S. and 600 million gasoline cars in the world in a few years? .Do you have magic powers so that you can build 100 million alternative energy cars per year and make them affordable and feasible ? Only a few million cars are sold in the U.S. each year and a extremely small percentage of those are not gasoline cars .Who is going to build your ethanol cars?

Brazil is a 3rd world country and doesn't have the number of cars the U.S. does and they their ethanol from sugar cane which is not produced in the U.S. The U.S. now is only producing ethanol from corn and that uses more petroleum/energy than it saves and raises the price of corn.

You are parroting the liberal/marxist/democrat talking points.

The world runs on oil. There are least 600 million gasoline vehicles, and most manufactured products are petroleum based. None of your or the liberal's dumb alternative energy sources are going to replace oil not even in many decades .

U.S. Oil Shale Resources Are Three Times Larger Than the Current Oil Reserves in Saudi Arabia YET CONGRESS RECENTLY VOTED TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO DEVELOP U.S. OIL SHALE RESOURCES

With oil prices at an all-time high, Americans are facing escalating gas, diesel, and aircraft fuel increases. Oil prices are projected to increase further. Congress, however, has made it illegal to develop vast domestic oil resources in large parts of the United States. The most startling Congressional prohibition on domestic oil production concerns the recently enacted ban on the development of oil shale resources in parts of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming in the Green River Formation. According to a Rand Study estimate, this reserve contains over one trillion barrels of oil, with 800 billion barrels fully recoverable, or three times the current oil reserves as Saudi Arabia:


24 posted on 07/12/2008 8:17:30 AM PDT by rurgan (socialism doesn't work. Government is the problem not the solution to our problems.)
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To: fabian
Brazil uses a majority of alcohol fuels and there is no reason why we can’t very quickly...along with elecrtic cars which will be coming to the front next year.

You know how long I've been hearing that BS?
Give it a rest.

There is nothing to prevent you and others to pursue (unsubsidized) pipe dreams all you want. Become the next billionaire, knock yourself out.

In the meantime, pump the oil we have, build more and smaller nuclear plants (minimize transmission losses), exploit our oil shale deposites (delivery in the future), work on coal to gasoline processes (Nazi Germany managed it 70 years ago!), build more oil refineries, not all concentrated in a few places.

Ignore the idiots in congress, and our so-called executive leadership.

29 posted on 07/12/2008 8:46:46 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: fabian
"Brazil uses a majority of alcohol fuels...

Brazil has about, what, one car per 500 adults. We're around 1 car per adult. And we drive everywhere. It's a pipe dream to even think that we could produce enough alcohol to keep our population moving.

Plus, the price of Jack Daniels would go through the roof. That's unconscionable.

45 posted on 07/12/2008 11:24:33 AM PDT by meyer (Government is the problem, not the solution.)
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