Posted on 07/12/2008 12:24:50 PM PDT by flyfree
your first quote doesn’t make teddy out to be a property rights guy!
“...holds his property subject to the general right of the community to regulate its use...”
uh duh!
And you think those quotes support him? LOL.
They show he wasn’t a fascist. Fascists don’t believe in human rights trumping profit or government.
The libs love to call W a fascist, but I don't see him throwing anyone in jail for saying it, or shutting down newspapers, like lib icons Wilson and FDR did.
you are my 20,000th reply!
you are right; it is a different perspective as some of the remarks above show.
quite frankly, after reading goldberg’s book i kicked myself for not reading up on the progressive era before.
many democrats and republicans wanted to ditch the u.s. constitution.
my favorite of the sixties—bob dylan.
saw him when i was in the u.s. navy february 12, 1966 live.
he was stoned.
And that's better than Karl Marx how?
As much as they ignore it now, nothing has changed.
It's as close to a "must read" as I would recommend. The parallels are scary. You can see the demagoguery of the left in the energy crisis: create the problem with corrupt policy, blame someone else, and "vote for me, the god that will save you from all your problems."
"Yay! Yay!" say the Ignorant Masses.
It's sickening, disgusting, and transparent.
One bright spot: the Ignorant Masses are giving the Clown Show a 9% approval rating. There is still hope.
Sure it is. When people like TR say this, what they mean is things like "Exxon shouldn't make so much profit, they should give some back in the form of a tax". "Insurance companies shouldn't make so much profit, they should be forced to cover X, Y, and Z". Or, "Banks shouldn't make so much profit, they should be forced to lend in their communities".
Obama is more in the mold of Carter than FDR.
Theodore Roosevelt pretty much defined the Progressive Era of US History.
He was proud to call himself a “progressive”. It’s ridiculous to argue otherwise. The name of TR’s party in the 1912 election was the 1912 PROGRESSIVE PARTY.
According to Wikipedia, “Its platform called for women’s suffrage, recall of judicial decisions, easier amendment of the U.S. Constitution, social welfare legislation for women and children, workers’ compensation, limited injunctions in strikes, farm relief, revision of banking to assure an elastic currency, required health insurance in industry, new inheritance taxes and income taxes, improvement of inland waterways, and limitation of naval armaments.”
TR favored big government, Federal bureaucratic intrusion, imperial expansion, and big labor, while opposing private enterprise.
As a result, high school and college instructors probably loved him. Evidently he is still viewed favorably by modern conservatives of the “national greatness” variety.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_%28United_States%2C_1912%29
Theodore Roosevelt pretty much defined the Progressive Era of US History.
He was proud to call himself a “progressive”. It’s ridiculous to argue otherwise. The name of TR’s party in the 1912 election was the 1912 PROGRESSIVE PARTY.
According to Wikipedia, “Its platform called for women’s suffrage, recall of judicial decisions, easier amendment of the U.S. Constitution, social welfare legislation for women and children, workers’ compensation, limited injunctions in strikes, farm relief, revision of banking to assure an elastic currency, required health insurance in industry, new inheritance taxes and income taxes, improvement of inland waterways, and limitation of naval armaments.”
TR favored big government, Federal bureaucratic intrusion, imperial expansion, and big labor, while opposing private enterprise.
As a result, high school and college instructors love him. Evidently he is still viewed favorably by modern conservatives of the “national greatness” variety.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_%28United_States%2C_1912%29
Got it.... When I think of the true definition of fascist Mussolini is the best example that comes to mind.. he fits the dictionary definition of fascist...
with the term theoretical/economic fascist I still don’t see where that term applies here...
because TR’s control of the government or the economy was not absolute...
He did have a weak congress and other politicians at the time that he ran rough shod over, but by no means do I think it rises to the level of fascism...
but then again the dictionary definition of Racism could be wrong..
Main Entry: fas·cism Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ËŒshi-zÉ™m also ˈfa-ËŒsi-\ Function: noun Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces Date: 1921 1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
Maybe that's another first for him. Lately, retired politicians take off to New York where they get refashioned by the intelligentsia into a much more liberal pattern.
That certainly happened with Teddy, though I can't think of any earlier politicians who went that route.
. To much of the information on the site is corrupted or not vetted throughly and like any other source should not be taken as cold hard fact unless you have several other INDEPENDENT sources that back up the facts... just sayin...
. To much of the information on the site is corrupted or not vetted throughly and like any other source should not be taken as cold hard fact unless you have several other INDEPENDENT sources that back up the facts... just sayin...
Your point is well taken, but I would assert that the early activities of the Progressives were the first steps of the fascist movement... brought to its logical conclusion by Mussolini.
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