Posted on 07/14/2008 6:04:04 AM PDT by kellynla
Political flip-floppers have a fan: California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
In that vein, Schwarzenegger advised Republican presidential candidate John McCain to move from the right to the center for the general election _ and suggested his Democratic rival, Barack Obama, move to the center from the left.
"Flip-flopping is getting a bad rap, because I think it is great," Schwarzenegger told ABC's "This Week" in an interview broadcast Sunday.
"Someone has made a mistake. I mean, someone has, for 20 or 30 years, been in the wrong place with his idea and with his ideology and says, 'You know something? I changed my mind. I am now for this.' As long as he's honest or she's honest, I think that is a wonderful thing. You can change your mind," Schwarzenegger said. "I have changed my mind on things and there is nothing wrong with it."
Schwarzenegger said Republican candidates, after getting nominated, can "wander a little bit more to the left, and hopefully he (McCain) will do that. And the same is with Obama, that what he has done consistently has been very much to the left and he's now more and more going to the right."
In 2004, Republicans charged that Democratic nominee John Kerry was a flip-flopper on a number of issues and criticized him accordingly. This year's presidential campaign has brought similar charges and counter-charges between the Republican and Democratic camps. But Schwarzenegger, an advocate of governing from the center, shrugs off changes in policy.
"That's what they have to do. In politics out there, they always say, 'Well, now, I don't know anymore what he really stands for. He has just changed his mind' ... and he's flip-flopping and all those kinds of things," he said.
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Father, forgive him. He sleeps with a Kennedy.
Every time someone asks me why I will not vote for McCain, I point out how much damage Arnie has done the Repubs in Calif.
With friends like this, who needs enemies.
I don’t recognize the Republican party anymore.
“As long as he’s honest or she’s honest, I think that is a wonderful thing. You can change your mind,” Schwarzenegger said. “I have changed my mind on things and there is nothing wrong with it.”
Well, Mr. Governator, many people would put it nicely and say you misled the voters. Some would put it less nicely and say you’re just another lying politician.
Some people have principles and stick to them; others don’t. I suspect Ah-nold is one of those whose principles depend on which way the wind is blowing.
3-boobs running for governor!
But in O'bama's case, what we have is a change of words - he blames it on "poor phrasing" or "taken out of context" or some other misunderstanding on the part of the listener.
A real person would be capable of saying "Yes, I believed that, but now, I believe this, because..." and not sound like a greasy weasel.
O'bama sounds like a greasy weasel.
I can no longer stand to hear this fatuous fathead's voice. He's totally under the influence of the dope-hampered, harebrained Hollywood elite mob of morons -- and the supercilious Kennedys.
He frets over the masses' threat to the environment and decrees new regulations to save the planet from us as he commutes by a private jet to Sacramento from Los Angeles. Go figure. The guy's a wealthy loony liberal, even more phony as governor than any screen role.
A recent forum here compared Michelle to Cindy. That post missed a good part of the point. Compare what Cindy did before she met John to what Michelle did before she met Obama. Again, Michelle panders, Cindy is genuine.
Obama is bad news and I wish we had a means by which to convey this to a rather uninformed electorate.
Okay, but first McCain has to move the right, Ahnold.
What is the difference between flip-flopping and changing one’s mind because of new data?
“Schwarzenegger advised Republican presidential candidate John McCain to move from the right to the center for the general election”
Arnold you dipsh*t, if McCain goes any further left he might as well slap a “D” next to his name, hit his knees and kiss Harry Reids’ ring!
They should have elected the whore.
Oh wait, they did.
Arnold is far to the left of McCain and has made that abundantly clear in recent days.
Actually, Arnold hasn't changed at all in recent days. He's been saying the same thing for a few years now.
On the other hand, McCain has been following the Schwarzenegger model to a tee. With his co-opting of the Dem agenda and calling it "bipartisan", his utter contempt for conservatives and anyone who does not agree with him, his pledge to appoint leftists in his administration, and most recently his hiring of Arnie's campaign operatives.
McCain will do to the nation what Schwarzenegger has done to California and the state GOP.
I think he's already accomplished 2 out of 3.
Your words deserve to be carved into an appropriate monument and installed in the lobby at GOP Big Tent RINO Central in Washington. Just inside the front door, where all of the RINOs will trip over it on their way inside, thus being reminded of their role in this impending disaster.
Plus their insane support of GovernMental EnvironMentalism that now threatens our economy while they quibble over drilling off CA's or AK's shore line or off the continental shelf.
I used to think they were just ill-informed, but now I believe they are just as malicious as the Dems in their desire for America's economy be dragged down to be equalized with the rest of the down trodden third world!!!
Arnold has surprisingly spent so much time galavanting around in the northern state smoke choked atmosphere but now I know why! It's his budget thing!! He's looking for mirrors to help the Dems pass another squandering budget past those stubborn Republicans!!!
I think some of those “RINOs” are smiling at the leftward leap.
Are Trojan Horse “Republicans” considered RINOs?
Smoke and mirrors. LOL. (It took me a few seconds to get that).
“I used to think they were just ill-informed, but now I believe they are just as malicious as the Dems in their desire for America’s economy be dragged down to be equalized with the rest of the down trodden third world!!!”
Peasants are easier to control. Let’s face it, the powers of the world have had it with upity types like Americans. When they’ve got us paying $10.00 a gallon for gas, they won’t have to take the guns away, we’ll be selling them to eat.
That's the difference!!! Especially when the "new data" involves untested, unscientific conclusion jumping like man-caused global warming which both Schwartzenfrauder and McMistake are completely taken with!!!
No. They are considered something far worse--the species includes Marxists, communists, socialists, leftists, liberals, traitors and quislings. Of course, some Trojan Horses share more than one of these despicable character defects.
Take your pick.
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"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
For some people, social issues and the like, are immutable principles which are ‘self evident’.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
It’s so apparent that both Obama and McCain had one set of policies for the primaries and a different set for the general election on some issues that I can’t view it as anything but lying. Almost no one changes in so short a time, except maybe the governator, who I think is probably easily swayed from some previous position because his beliefs on political issues were pretty shallow to begin with. Plus, the influence of Maria and her family after he won the recall election. And, that’s just as bad or worse than deliberate lying.
Actually, that’s not correct. Arnold recently flip-flopped on homosexual “marriage” and even admitted to it. He also was against the Democrat tax plans in the past but is now open to the one they are proposing now.
Let’s see. Arnold is for homosexual “marriage,” McCain is against. Arnold is for abortion, McCain is against. McCain has even signaled he is backing off of ESCR. Arnold is driving the state bankrupt to fund such “research.” McCain is calling for a freeze on new federal discretionary non-defense spending in order to gauge where cutbacks need to be and what programs need to be stopped or revamped. Arnold is just plain spending with no end in sight. I admit upon superficial comparison the two may seem to be of the same “brand” but in reality few things could be further from the truth.
LOL! You need to look below the propaganda headlines.
Arnold has been raising taxes since the week he took office! He just calls them “fees.” He’s grown the deficit and the debt load by record amounts. He may have *said* he was against taxes, but his actions prove that was just campaign rhetoric.
As to gay marriage...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/02/MNGNM5C3B31.DTL
March 2, 2004
Sacramento — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, wading even deeper into the debate over gay and lesbian unions, said he would be “fine’’ with same-sex marriage if California voters approved it and proclaimed he had “no use” for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
Well, I can’t argue with that statement, except to say I don’t include myself with those people because they, if they really believe that, resemble looting Socialists quite strongly!!! (aka Democrats!!!)
And guess who he has in mind to head that commission? Warren Buffett.
McCain is clueless on fiscal matters.
No, but the difference is he never backed it. Now he does. And regardless Arnold is now close to embracing a full-fledged tax increase by the Democrats, no “fees”, no small potatoes, full-fledged. It’s different.
I’m sorry... but you are wrong. Scroll back through articles with keyword “calbudget.” You will find that Schwarzenegger has not been strongly opposed to raising taxes since his 2003 campaign, and even those words were qualified. And if you think his “fees” have been small potatoes, I suggest you do a whole lot more research. For example, $3 Billion for solar roofs was no “small potatoes.” There are many others.
As to gay marriage, he has long said he would support what the people voted on. He changed that tune a couple years ago and said he would support what the judges decided. He stood by and did NOTHING during the San Francisco gay marriage fiasco. During the entire time frame, he has signed no fewer than 10 pro-homosexual bills that crossed his desk, effectively giving all of the rights of marriage to gay “domestic partners.”
IMO, you have been ill-informed.
"Trust me, I'm a FISCAL conservative"
That's EXACT what George Ryan did to get elected. Spent the entire campaign promising to "keep a tight lid on spending" and claimed he was adamantly against raising taxes. Then he proceeded to pass the ironicly named "Illinois FIRST" to fund every pork project he could think of, and jacked up over 300 state "fees" on license plates, ID cards, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. Claimed these "fees" didn't "count" as tax hikes. He put Illinois in severe debt and spent more than any recent DemocRAT offical has.
Is Arnold taking phone calls from jailbird George on how to govern as a RINO and destroy a state party from within? The master has taught him well.
At last count, during the last 10 years, RINOs have run as alleged "fiscal conservatives" in Illinois, Ohio, Tennessee, New Jersey, Nevada, Conn., Mass., New York, and California, and in every one of those states they've proceeded to tax-and-spend their states into obivion AFTER they got elected.
When will conservatives learn?
Solar panels? Ok. But it’s not a full-fledged traditional tax increase. That is what he is open to for the first time - from Democrats.
As far as homosexual marriage, he has not openly supported that until very recently.
"But George, I *am* da one being bankrolled by Dumocrats, not de right-ving..."
"Well no DUH! That's the idea Arnie, we paint the opposition of doing exactly what we do. We're RINOs. It's very Orwellian. As soon as you get elected, you need to appoint hard core socialist Democrats to every major position in government. For instance, I appointed Jesse Jackson to run Illinois' Kid Care program"
"But if de conservatives accuses me of wanting to appoint Dems, de GOP sellouts vill go on FR and accuse THEM of being on Jesse Jackson's side..."
"Now you get it! The trick is to come up with a bunch of half-assed watered down "reforms" that will never pass... like I actually told voters that I could slowly phase out the state tolls if they let me DOUBLE the toll rates for a couple years... and of course no one in their right mind supported it. Then, when that stuff fails, you say you have no other choice but to borrow money and raise state "fees". And then the fun begins! You get to appear in lots of photo-ops with your wife's best friends and grin as you move the state further and further into socialism, all in the name of being "bipartisan. Make sure to attack the right-wingers in the General Assembly at every opportunity."
"How about ... "post-partisan" ?
"Hey, I like it! I never thought of that one! Now what else are your goals in office?"
"I vant to make sure de taxpayers fund all de socially liberal stuff. Is dere a way I can get more abortions in Cally-forn-ya und gay marriage for all de people?"
"Great idea! That was my goal for Illinois too. You can't do it all at once though. You need to tackle them one at a time. When I first got elected, I actually ran to the LEFT of the Democrat on gun control and nobody noticed because I was out doing to the "fiscal conservative" song and dance. I couldn't get those right-wing bastards in the assembly to agree to my tyrantical gun control measures, so I just called them into "special session" and had my Democrat buddies lean on them for days to force their hand. And bingo! We made transporting a gun across state lines a felony, even if the person wasn't aware they had it!"
"Should I pretend I'm morally opposed to dat stuff to get elected? I am thinking of just lying and telling voters I believe marriage is between a man and a voman"
"Hell yes! It works for the Dems, why not RINO? I told the suckers I was morally opposed to abortion! Then I picked the most pro-abortion person I could find to be my running mate!"
"Vhat if a right ving nut tries to challenge me?"
"Unelectable, Arnie, unelectable. Even if they've been elected more than you ever had. Repeat over and over again that they are only helping the Democrats and if they really wanted to help the state, they would get behind YOU without question! I did that to the principled honest jerk who ran against ME in the primary! And whatever you do, DON'T lend your support to ANY conservative candidates. Only fellow RINOs"
"I like your saavy, George. No vonder were you able to destroy Illinois from within"
"See ya in Sacremento, Arnie! And remember -- suck up to Mexico too!"
I suppose if you are supporting McCain, you have to say something. Really, though, is this the best you can do--damning with faint praise?
There are so many things wrong with McCain it hardly matters how he compares with Arnold the Austrian socialist. But I believe calcowgirl's comparison will, in fact, prove to be as close to the truth as it can possibly be. McCain will be an unmitigated disaster. As you may have noticed, there is little support for him on FR. This is consistent with the attitude of the conservative base--we want nothing to do with him.
This is full circle now. I said that he raised taxes in the form of fees. You implied that fees are "small potatoes." They aren't. Whether a "fee" or a "tax," it comes out of taxpayers pockets to support big-government. and NO, this is not the first time "he is open" to taxes. He's been laying the groundwork for almost four years. Here are just a few articles. As I suggested before, do some homework before making incorrect assertions. Governor: Pass bond or raise taxes, Schwarzenegger rejects reductions in social programs [March 2004] Governor Breaks His Promise - Proposes New Taxes [CA - Schwarzenegger] [January 2007] CA: Tom Campbell campaigns for Prop. 76 (threatening tax increases) [September 2005] Schwarzenegger says raising taxes may be unavoidable [March 2004]
As far as homosexual marriage, he has not openly supported that until very recently.
Sorry. You're as wrong on this as you are on taxes and fees. But Arnold's actions over the past 5 years methodically assured the gay marriage situation we have today.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Wouldn’t changing one’s mind in order to have a better chance at winning the election be a valid reason?
Perhaps that’s why it seems that democrats don’t mind candidates that change their minds.
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