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OBAMA TO CATHOLICS: NO VOUCHERS
Catholic League ^ | July 15, 2008 | staff

Posted on 07/18/2008 3:32:37 PM PDT by kellynla

When he was a state senator in Illinois in June 2002, Barack Obama was explicitly asked by Chicago media personality Jeff Berkowitz whether he supports school vouchers. “I would support anything that is going to be better for the children of Illinois,” he said. He emphatically added that “I am not closed minded on the issue.”

In February 2008, Obama spoke to reporters from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about the issue. Still keeping an open mind, he said, “If there was any argument for vouchers, it was ‘Let’s see if the experiment works.’ And if it does, whatever my preconception, you do what’s best for kids.”

However, last Saturday Obama told the American Federation of Teachers that he was opposed to vouchers. When his campaign was asked about his new position, it released a statement saying, “Senator Obama has always been a critic of vouchers.”

Commenting today is Catholic League president Bill Donohue:

“Guess Obama couldn’t resist pandering to the teachers union. It’s so easy to tell the media that keeping an open mind on school vouchers is the best way to go. But when cash counts—and the American Federation of Teachers has plenty of it—who cares about principle? Fact is, no amount of empirical evidence was ever going to change his mind.

“Obama now joins a long list of African American elites who wouldn’t dare send their kids to an urban public school, but who works hard at every turn to deny poor black parents the same options he and his wife are so lucky to have. We hope that Catholics, as well as African Americans, get the message.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; catholic; catholicism; catholics; catholicschools; catholicvote; education; educationfunding; obama; schoolchoice; vouchers
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1 posted on 07/18/2008 3:32:37 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 07/18/2008 3:33:12 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Well, Obamam, there goes any lib Catholic votes.


3 posted on 07/18/2008 3:33:29 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (WE NEED A TROOP SURGE IN CHICAGO !)
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To: kellynla

Pastor Wright was right, Obama is just a politician.


4 posted on 07/18/2008 3:36:38 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
there goes any lib Catholic votes.

That would be nice ... but no way. Socialism comes first for that set of voters.

Of course, he's also saying "No Vouchers" to Baptists, Presbyterians, Buddhists, Mormons, Moslems, Zoroastrians, Peyote Church, atheists, and fill-in-your-belief-or-lack-thereof. That's the only way to get the NEA $$$$$$, and he knows it.

5 posted on 07/18/2008 3:38:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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To: Always Right
Pastor Wright was right, Obama is just a politician.

Obama's chickens...are coming home...to roost!

6 posted on 07/18/2008 3:39:11 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (John McCain is Lucy, McCainiacs are Charlie Brown, and the football is a secure border.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Well, Obamam, there goes any lib Catholic votes.
Don't count on it.
7 posted on 07/18/2008 3:40:26 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: kellynla

Where DO Obama’s girls go to school?


8 posted on 07/18/2008 3:41:26 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: kellynla
Yet a significant percentage of Catholics will support a PRO-ABORTION, liberal extremist of the far-left.

Go figure.

9 posted on 07/18/2008 3:45:37 PM PDT by stockstrader (CHANGE--a euphemism for further dividing our country along racial, social and economic lines)
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To: lewislynn

With vouchers come requirements. Catholics don’t want those nutballs messing with their curriculum.


10 posted on 07/18/2008 3:46:16 PM PDT by notaliberal (Christ Our Hope!)
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To: lewislynn

I agree the Catholic Democrats will mostly fall in line. I don’t know why, maybe tradition, maybe due to long standing relationships or possibly force of habit.


11 posted on 07/18/2008 3:47:19 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: stockstrader
Yet a significant percentage of Catholics will support a PRO-ABORTION, liberal extremist of the far-left.

Yep, same with you protestants

12 posted on 07/18/2008 3:49:23 PM PDT by notaliberal (Christ Our Hope!)
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To: kellynla

In the past, Obama has reportedly gone on the record in support of merit pay for teachers, something the NEA has always fought. It would be interesting to know his currrent position on this issue.


13 posted on 07/18/2008 3:49:50 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Perhaps Obama should consider appointing some actual practicing Catholics to his Catholic outreach network.


14 posted on 07/18/2008 3:50:06 PM PDT by JeffChrz (Back in 'Zona.)
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To: kellynla

Anyone else love the South Park episode bashing “The Da Vinci Code” where Bill Donohoe becomes Pope?


15 posted on 07/18/2008 3:51:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Always Right

Well, lets correct Rev. Wright, he was partially correct when he called Obamanation a politician. Obie far exceeds any low a politician can achieve, Obama is a Whore, maybe a little expensive, but still a whore.


16 posted on 07/18/2008 3:55:01 PM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 (An Empty Suited Opportunist with No Redeeming Value!)
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To: kellynla; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

17 posted on 07/18/2008 3:55:05 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: stockstrader
“Yet a significant percentage of Catholics will support a PRO-ABORTION, liberal extremist of the far-left.
Go figure.”

“Go figure?”

It's not rocket science...

Again, lets not confuse “practicing” Catholics with CINO’s.
Just like the Jewish, just because someone claims to be Jewish doesn't necessarily mean that that person is a “practicing” Jew. And the same applies to all religions.

18 posted on 07/18/2008 3:57:15 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

ping-aroo


19 posted on 07/18/2008 3:58:40 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: I still care

“Where DO Obama’s girls go to school?”

the Chicago Tribune sums up:

“My kids have gone to the University of Chicago Lab School, a private school, because I taught there,” Obama responded. “It was five minutes from our house. So it was the best option for our kids.”


20 posted on 07/18/2008 4:00:26 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

You can’t be a democrat and a real Catholic. You can not provide a party that supports infanticide your vote and be a real Catholic. It’s just that simple.


21 posted on 07/18/2008 4:02:18 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: kellynla; I still care
The lab school is the best HS in Chicago. Far superior than Ignatius or Chicago Latin.

I may be in the minority here, but if the Catholic schools can't survive on their own, they nevertheless should not become wards of the state through "vouchers."

Charter schools, single sex education, and a focus on discipline and learning basic skills are what is needed in most public schools. Of course, your average idiot will tell you that THEIR public schools are great, although test scores will say otherwise.

Ideally, public schools, ie WELFARE schools, would be abolished for all but the very poor, but this is never going to happen.

22 posted on 07/18/2008 4:05:30 PM PDT by Clemenza (We are a REPUBLIC, not a "Will of the People" Mobocracy)
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To: kellynla

Catholics to Obama: “You don’t get our vote!”


23 posted on 07/18/2008 4:07:10 PM PDT by G Larry (Fight B.O. with RIGHT GUARD! Vote McCain!)
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To: mimaw

Millions of Catholic Democrats claim exactly the opposite. They would say as Catholics they oppose abortion but support a women’s “right to choose” or other words to that effect.


24 posted on 07/18/2008 4:08:28 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Clemenza

Being a “cradle Catholic” who attended Catholic schools for fourteen years, I know we didn’t receive any funds from the government and DID NOT WANT ANY FUNDS FROM THE GOVERNMENT for obvious reasons.

So I don’t know exactly where Bill Donohue & the Catholic League is coming from on this issue.

Catholic schools have operated since their inception without government funding.


25 posted on 07/18/2008 4:10:12 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: notaliberal

“With vouchers come requirements. Catholics don’t want those nutballs messing with their curriculum”

BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!


26 posted on 07/18/2008 4:11:07 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: JeffChrz

“Perhaps Obama should consider appointing some actual practicing Catholics to his Catholic outreach network?”

Why would any practicing Catholic support much less work for a pro-abortion politician?


27 posted on 07/18/2008 4:13:21 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

“Millions of Catholic Democrats claim exactly the opposite. They would say as Catholics they oppose abortion but support a women’s “right to choose” or other words to that effect.”

They can “say” what they like BUT to support and/or vote for a pro-abortion politician is AGAINST our religious belief. Abortion is genocide.
Point, Game, Set, Match!


28 posted on 07/18/2008 4:16:34 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
there goes any lib Catholic votes.

Liberal Catholics are already sending their kids to public school, so why should they care about vouchers? I doubt that Obama lost any CINO votes because of this.

29 posted on 07/18/2008 4:22:25 PM PDT by giotto
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To: Fiji Hill
“It would be interesting to know his current position on this issue.”

Yea, well Obama changes his “position” on “issues” like I change my socks!

McCain has to be the luckiest candidate for POTUS since Ronald Reagan ran against Jimmy Carter! LOL

Heck, my cat could beat Obama on 11/4!

30 posted on 07/18/2008 4:22:36 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

You underestimate the ignorance of 95% of the American public.


31 posted on 07/18/2008 4:26:17 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (WE NEED A TROOP SURGE IN CHICAGO !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
"You underestimate the ignorance of 95% of the American public."

Not really, I've been saying for months that no levelheaded American is gonna go into the voting booth on 11/4 and vote for an anti-American racist Leftie.

Now bear in mind, I said “levelheaded American” which automatically eliminates all the Lefties and anyone who depends on government assistance for their livelihood.
But that won't be enough to get him elected.

32 posted on 07/18/2008 4:31:18 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: G Larry
Catholics to Obama: “You don’t get our vote!”

Beat me to it, G Larry, thanks for posting, so I can just cut and paste!

Unfortunately, living here in Michigan under our CINO Gov. Grandmole, I suspect that a great many Catholics do vote Dem, no matter what.

33 posted on 07/18/2008 4:43:46 PM PDT by MaggieCarta (Cold-hearted Conservative and proud of it, man.)
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To: stockstrader

To me it’s the same as the Jews voting by far and away for liberal Dems who would sell out Isreal and not blink twice!


34 posted on 07/18/2008 4:50:04 PM PDT by Froggie
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Their FOS and I repeat they are not real Catholics if they do not support the sanctity of life.


35 posted on 07/18/2008 5:13:15 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: kellynla

ol’ Obama... sniffing for cash, endorsements, votes... flip flopping Marxist thug he be.


36 posted on 07/18/2008 5:13:31 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: kellynla

Vouchers are, at best, a half-measure. More likely, they would be a mechanism to destroy private schools and homeschooling. When the government wants to destroy something*, they set up a government-run version, in order to undersell the private version and drive it out of business. What remains, they subsidize, in order to “encourage diversity” or “maximize choices.” Then they regulate it into the dirt. Then they shut it down or take it over.

This is what was done over a century ago with “education.” Actually, it would be more accurate to say that this is what was done with children’s lives, freedom, and relationship with their parents.

After the communization of “education” in America, communizing the rest of human activity is pretty much a mopping-up operation.

* E.g., schooling, mortgages, old-age pensions, Catholic Charities and other religiously-based charity, medical care, etc., etc.


37 posted on 07/18/2008 5:15:23 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Liberal Catholics don’t give a flying leap at a doughnut for Catholic schools. Liberal Catholics will vote for Obama BECAUSE he is pro-abortion, while parroting the line that “I’m voting for Obama DESPITE his position on abortion.”


38 posted on 07/18/2008 5:17:15 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Always Right
Pastor Wright was right, Obama is just a politician.

Another black minister makes a bold prediction concerning Obama:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BXF0OOGNCSk

39 posted on 07/18/2008 5:20:36 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: kellynla
Senator Obama has always been a critic of vouchers

And Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

40 posted on 07/18/2008 5:32:35 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: kellynla

Kindergarten tuition in about $15,000/yr there.


41 posted on 07/18/2008 5:35:11 PM PDT by 11x62
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To: notaliberal
With vouchers come requirements. Catholics don’t want those nutballs messing with their curriculum.
What does that have to do with Catholics voting for Obama? He's not going to allow to give anyone vouchers anyway.
42 posted on 07/18/2008 6:09:59 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: wagglebee; Salvation; NYer

WHERE IS DOUG KMIEC??


43 posted on 07/18/2008 6:29:37 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: kellynla

Lets pray and hope you are right. We can’t underestimate the work that is ahead of us...whether one likes McCain or not.


44 posted on 07/18/2008 6:30:19 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (WE NEED A TROOP SURGE IN CHICAGO !)
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To: Tax-chick
When the decision come between giving parents and kids choices and opportunity and offending the NEA, RAT politicians will go with kowtowing to he NEA every time.
45 posted on 07/18/2008 7:52:21 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: kellynla
No Catholic in their right mind can vote for Obama. Even the bishops have come out against him.

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46 posted on 07/18/2008 8:01:44 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: kellynla; antonius

47 posted on 07/18/2008 8:02:38 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: stockstrader
**Yet a significant percentage of Catholics will support a PRO-ABORTION, liberal extremist of the far-left. Go figure.**

And if they do so, they are basically excommunicating themselves!

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

48 posted on 07/18/2008 8:04:36 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
**Yet a significant percentage of Catholics will support a PRO-ABORTION, liberal extremist of the far-left. Go figure.**
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yet, far too many bishops and priests give the sacrament of Holy Communion and other sacraments to Catholics who openly write and speak in support of abortion and to politicians who openly **vote** pro-aborition.

What's up with these priests and bishops? Why does the Pope let them get away with this?

49 posted on 07/18/2008 8:25:28 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Tax-chick

Socialism comes first for that set of voters.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Far too many Christians ( Catholic and Protestant) and Jews believe more in the gospel of Karl Marx than they do in the do in Salvation through Jesus Christ.


50 posted on 07/18/2008 8:37:11 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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