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To: Caipirabob
I honestly believe that a permit is an extension of unconstitutional infringement upon the right to bear arms.

WOW. (rubbing eyes in disbelief) Someone that actually “gets it.”

Yep, I live in Texas where getting a CHL is about as tough as going bowling for the evening. I refuse. I do not need a State of Texas Second Amendment License. Now that they have passed the “castle doctrine” and it includes your vehicle (wherever you go) I need The Texas Second Amendment License even less.

Folks ask me why I don’t get a CHL and I reply with a question. “ Do you take your First Amendment Permit with you to church on Sunday?”

(blank stare…)

“There is no such thing!” is their usual reply. “Right” I say.

“So why do you need a Second Amendment Permit to take a firearm with you wherever you go?” I ask.

Usually they are stumped right there.

13 posted on 07/19/2008 5:42:36 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI; Caipirabob
I honestly believe that a permit is an extension of unconstitutional infringement upon the right to bear arms.

WOW. (rubbing eyes in disbelief) Someone that actually “gets it.”

Yep, I live in Texas where getting a CHL is about as tough as going bowling for the evening. I refuse. I do not need a State of Texas Second Amendment License. Now that they have passed the “castle doctrine” and it includes your vehicle (wherever you go) I need The Texas Second Amendment License even less.

Folks ask me why I don’t get a CHL and I reply with a question. “ Do you take your First Amendment Permit with you to church on Sunday?”

(blank stare…)

“There is no such thing!” is their usual reply. “Right” I say.

“So why do you need a Second Amendment Permit to take a firearm with you wherever you go?” I ask.

Usually they are stumped right there.

I agree with you. However, I have a Washington Concealed Pistol Permit because I think that the millions of people holding permits sends a strong message that we take RKBA seriously. More people applying for permits lets the politicians know that they will not get away with infringing our rights any further. Yes, Vermont, and now Alaska have it right. Just as Florida had it right with their "Shall issue" law which led to other states following suit, Now we should work for the spread of Vermont style RKBA laws in all of the states.

I think that secretly (And illegally) carrying a firearm, where permits are available, does not further that goal as effectively as applying for a permit.

16 posted on 07/19/2008 8:19:51 AM PDT by Chuckster ("Them ragheads just ain't rational" Curley Bartley, 1980)
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To: TLI
I live in Texas where getting a CHL is about as tough as going bowling for the evening. I refuse. I do not need a State of Texas Second Amendment License.

Exactly the case for me in Oregon. I refuse to pay a fee to put myself in that database.

Note that some states chose to exclude concealed carry in their constitutions' declarations of the right to keep and bear arms. I don't know about Texas, but Oregon has no such exclusion (nor does the US for that matter).

Section 27. Right to bear arms; military subordinate to civil power. The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence [sic] of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power[.]

20 posted on 07/19/2008 9:45:29 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Oregon - a pro-militia and firearms state that looks just like Afghanistan .)
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To: TLI
Another reason not to get a CHL in TX is because it puts you in a BIG data base. If you get stopped for any traffic infraction, when they run you car license tag, it has the information that you have a CHL.

I'm not sure this is even legal--and I keep thinking I'm going to look into that, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

23 posted on 07/19/2008 7:11:08 PM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment-buy another gun today!)
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