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There must be a pony in here somewhere.

AGW debates by non-scientists quickly degenerate into "Your beliefs suck!", "No, your beliefs suck!" Not informative. AGW debates by scientists degenerate into "My equations are better than your equations," but those equations are informative only to the few people with the background, time, intelligence, energy, and interest to evaluate them.

I dislike the smug AGW true believers and their anti-capitalist solutions, but I still want to know if AGW is occurring, and if it poses a significant threat to humanity. If the answer to both questions is yes, then I want to know what solutions are most practical.

Monckton has repeatedly offered to debate Algore, but I bet I would learn more by watching him debate Andrew Dessler. Algore is an idiot, Dessler is not, and at this point I don't know what to make of Monckton.

I dislike the smug AGW true believers and their anti-capitalist solutions, but I still want to know if AGW is occurring, and if it poses a significant threat to humanity. If the answer to both questions is yes, then I want to know what solutions are most practical.

A. if AGW is occurring--the amount of warming that could possibly be due to the incredibly tiny amount of man-processed CO2 is swamped out by the noise of the system and the slight warming starting in the late 1800's that stopped in 1998 started long before man-processed CO2 formed a significant portion of an insignificantly small fraction of total greenhouse gases.

B. if it poses a significant threat to humanity--No one has ever shown that temperature increases of several degrees C can pose any significant danger to humans. Such temperature increases have occurred in the past without any contribution by humans and things were fine. No ice caps melted away and no ice sheets slid into the sea. The warming periods were marked by more, rather than less, clement weather, longer growing seasons and at higher latitudes. The real danger is in a drop in global mean temperature of several degrees C with the resultant reduction in arable land and shortened growing seasons and drier climates.

I dislike the smug AGW true believers and their anti-capitalist solutions, but I still want to know if AGW is occurring, and if it poses a significant threat to humanity. If the answer to both questions is yes, then I want to know what solutions are most practical.

The only way meaningful research can be conducted is if AGW 1.0 thoroughly denounced as a hoax. Otherwise, politics will sabotage any efforts at finding the truth.

I still want to know if AGW is occurring, and if it poses a significant threat to humanity.

From whom do you think you could reasonably expect to learn this information, with any degree of reliability? Stargate Command? NUMA? The UN? (But excuse me, I fall into parody with that last ...)

The current "scientific" fiasco is the best available to humanity. Under the circumstances, the only reasonable assumption is that "solutions that are most practical" will be produced by an unfettered free market of individuals who would like themselves and their assets to survive any potential environmental outcome.