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ESCAPE TO NEW YORK:SUBURBAN ECONOMIC REFUGEES ARE HEADING OUR WAY
NY Post ^ | 20 July 2008 | ERIC TORBENSON

Posted on 07/20/2008 5:11:56 AM PDT by shrinkermd

The tenets of suburban life are the oxygen in the economic bloodstream, and the nation is suffering hypoxia. The reason a lot of folks think we're just getting warmed up on an economic swoon is that the global economy has neatly garroted all the drivers that make suburbs flourish.

...America in the early 2000s was a frothy brew of low inflation and cheap houses financed by what we'd later find out were mortgages handed out like those little dum-dum lollipops at the dentist; everybody got one no matter how bad their teeth. Nothing percolates GDP like the need to fill the screaming maw of a new home with stainless steel appliances, memory foam beds and body sculpting equipment that gathers dust while owners horf down cheese fries at TGIFridays.

To transport those consumer goods from Sam's Club, new homeowners found that cheap fuel allowed a fleet of trucks and SUVs. Their viral proliferation helped create the "virtuous" circle of the profits that flowed up and down Wall Street. The big trucks were some of Detroit's most-profitable autos. We fought terrorism with consumer spending and declared victory.

Except today the suburbs have a sort of fiscal staph infection. The nation's middle class can no longer live in a 3,500-square-foot home and drive a Chevy Yukon 30 miles to work and back each day, fork down a $20 strip steak twice a week at Outback and still make the monthly nut. What leaves that party first is the steak, then the truck, then the house, then the color from the face of the Fed chairman.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: masstransportation; nyc; suburbs
Liberal Democrats really hate those in the suburbs, exurbs and rural areas. They welcome gasoline price increases as an economic weapon.

Don't count on any drill programs while they are in charge.

1 posted on 07/20/2008 5:11:56 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

This is a hateful liberal’s wet dream.

They want everyone to live in the confines of the scummy cities. More control that way.


2 posted on 07/20/2008 5:17:14 AM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: rlmorel
They want everyone to live in the confines of the scummy cities. More control that way.

Also more misery that way. The left loves widespread misery, for many reasons.

3 posted on 07/20/2008 5:21:27 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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To: shrinkermd

It’s a fantasy that city dwellers consume less energy than suburbanites. Most suburbanites work relatively near home, many urbanites have long, subsidized commutes.

Most commuters who travel by car as opposed to subsized rail, already use inexpensive four bangers. The Yukons are driven by soccer moms to travel a few miles around town and on occasional vacations. They are still vastly cheaper for vacations than air travel. The urban dwellers use as much fuel flying off on their Carribean vacations as a commuter uses in two monthes.


4 posted on 07/20/2008 5:24:37 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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To: shrinkermd
The nation's middle class can no longer live in a 3,500-square-foot home and drive a Chevy Yukon 30 miles to work and back each day,
fork down a $20 strip steak twice a week at Outback and still make the monthly nut.

Oh yeah, that's an honest description of middle America.
5 posted on 07/20/2008 5:36:57 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: shrinkermd
If this is what city liberals views of us in the country are, as well as the majority view of city dwellers, then I hope the next terrorist attack hits NYC with a nuke and sterilize that Excrement Stain ... I know I won't cry a tear if it happens.
6 posted on 07/20/2008 5:37:52 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: shrinkermd

This is drivel made up from whole cloth woven at a cocktail party.


7 posted on 07/20/2008 5:40:54 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: shrinkermd
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8 posted on 07/20/2008 5:41:16 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: shrinkermd

Somehow I don’t see all that tsunami of humanity that rides the trains into NYC suddenly forsaking the trains for an overpriced studio apartment up the street from Battery Park.


9 posted on 07/20/2008 5:49:20 AM PDT by stevem
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Sounds like somebody secretly wishes they could have a Yukon and backyard pool of their own.

Liberals are the most jealous people on Earth.

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10 posted on 07/20/2008 5:50:00 AM PDT by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; shrinkermd
Most suburbanites work relatively near home, many urbanites have long, subsidized commutes.

You notice how the article enumerates all the downsides of 'suburbia' but doesn't mention the family lifestyle tradeoff in between the middle class suburbs and upper-class DINK city living:

Such as Big Box Discount shopping -vs- High price, daily trip-to-grocery/pantry (Costco vs corner boutique grocer)

In any case, if gas prices etc make suburbia more expensive to maintain, then the market will level the field and make the house values and taxes cheaper, and city dwellings higher and harder to get. Middle class people in cities will be forced back out into cheaper digs if there really is an influx.

Finally, like you said, the article doesn't even really claim that city-living and walking to stores is more efficient. The author admits that NYC is well suited to rail commuting....where people have suburban lifestyles, houses, and drive to big box retail!

11 posted on 07/20/2008 5:56:51 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: shrinkermd

Whatever his intent, he’s not wrong. Cheap money from the political panderers led people to live above their heads.

He doesn’t know New York as well as he thinks. Their are no ‘Far Rockaways.’ The Rockaways comprise a peninsula with Far Rockaway (furthest east) at its base. There is subway service through most of this narrow peninsula.


12 posted on 07/20/2008 6:05:46 AM PDT by decimon
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To: oh8eleven
Actually, the portion of the article you quoted in post # 5 is a pretty accurate description of where I live. It used to be a nice place to live, and was considered a small town 50 miles away from Chicago.

Now it's been overbuilt and over-run by people who used to live much closer to Chicago, and they brought a lot of traffic, an increase in crime and drug use, and sudden change in election results from 90-10% Republican to 60-40.

If the liberals move back to the city, then we would just have to worry about the illegals moving into the abandoned McMansions. As long as they can't vote, we would come out ahead.

13 posted on 07/20/2008 6:09:50 AM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: shrinkermd

btt


14 posted on 07/20/2008 6:17:50 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: shrinkermd

“Liberal Democrats really hate those in the suburbs, exurbs and rural areas. They welcome gasoline price increases as an economic weapon. “

Well then the joke’s on them. I’m *not* moving to town, much less “the big city” and neither are any of my neighbors. I may end up having to spend all my cash money on gasoline and taxes, but I won’t be totally dependent on others for my food, heat, and the clothes on my back. ;)


15 posted on 07/20/2008 6:25:48 AM PDT by Mrs. Ranger (lamenting the death of "common sense")
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To: shrinkermd
The rising foreclosure rates in New York's Otsego and Chenango counties suggest the plague is closing in on New York's toniest 'burbs. In the Far Rockaways, empty lots sit next to empty apartment buildings; for cash-strapped commuters, it's a home too Far.

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Ostego and Chenango counties? Closing in on NY's "toniest burbs"? These two counties are too far away and too thinly populated to have any impact on NYC area in any way. BIIIIG STREEEETCH for the writer trying to make a point.

As for Far Rockaway....you get there by subway...it is in Queens, not the 'burbs.

16 posted on 07/20/2008 6:26:57 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: shrinkermd
NYC's growth is largely from immigration, both legal and otherwise. Upstate's depopulating and most of those folks are leaving the state altogether. NYS has a $.32/gal tax. It's cheaper just to leave.
17 posted on 07/20/2008 6:27:48 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: shrinkermd

Never going to happen in New York.

Even with the cost of gas, you get twice the lifestyle for your dollar in the suburbs. For families who make $250,000 that means tough choices (small apartment or big house, suburban public schools vs. $30k a year private schools, a second car and a commuter train pass vs. taxis). For families who make $100,000 a year, it’s quite literally no choice at all.

The only way that this could change is if New York City were to clean up the ghettos and create some mechanism so that more than a small lucky fraction of middle class people could have a good quality public school for their kids. If Upper Manhattan and most of Brooklyn became livable by the standards of middle class people, than that might really make a big, big change.


18 posted on 07/20/2008 6:40:01 AM PDT by only1percent
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To: rlmorel

Then there will be more sheep for the “natives” to feed on.


19 posted on 07/20/2008 7:29:49 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: Dr. Ursus

“shudder”

That was a creepy analogy indeed. I have nothing against city life per se, but it isn’t for me. I like to visit, and that is about it.


20 posted on 07/20/2008 7:35:07 AM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: shrinkermd
I wouldn't live in "The Peoples Republik of nyc" if you PAID me to live there.

Hell...

I have ABSOLUTELY no interest in even VISITING that POS left-wing northern city.

21 posted on 07/20/2008 7:36:22 AM PDT by DocH (hussein and juan - what kind of choice is THAT? God help us.)
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To: DocH

Well, we sure don’t need another a-hole here so thanks for staying away.


22 posted on 07/20/2008 7:37:43 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: shrinkermd
Heating and cooling a huge home and being scattered far enough from work and shopping turns $5 a gallon-gas and heating oil into 20 percent of your total income instead of 5 percent.

Oh, SO WHAT?

OK. I'll move to NYC and pay twice as much to live in a little cell and eat wilted produce. I can hardly wait.

They never give up, do they? They so want the little Democrat-filled nests.

I am so tired of having point out to these advertisers that any company worth working for has been moving out to Industrial and Office parks and corporate campuses for twenty years.

Yet, these stories multiply as the "Journalists" trapped in cities hope so much for an influx of fellow miserable sufferers.

23 posted on 07/20/2008 7:38:08 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: CapnJack
If this is what city liberals views of us in the country are, as well as the majority view of city dwellers, then I hope the next terrorist attack hits NYC with a nuke and sterilize that Excrement Stain ... I know I won't cry a tear if it happens.

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Woah, that's kind of harsh dude. I'd be satisfied if the only skidmark sniffer smoked is Olberfagg.

24 posted on 07/20/2008 7:39:54 AM PDT by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: wtc911
I feel sorry for anyone, who is even REMOTELY conservative, that lives there.

Poor (stupid?) bastards.

25 posted on 07/20/2008 7:40:26 AM PDT by DocH (hussein and juan - what kind of choice is THAT? God help us.)
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To: oh8eleven

It may not be Middle America, but people are being told they have to give up enjoying life.


26 posted on 07/20/2008 7:47:48 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: rlmorel

The Big Sh*tty Liberals seem to forget that Big Sh*tty living costs are astronomical.

A pox upon all of them!


27 posted on 07/20/2008 8:03:15 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: DocH

Save your pity, we’re doing just fine.


28 posted on 07/20/2008 8:11:08 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: shrinkermd
are these people who left the city and now have given up suburbia returning, OR, are they born and bred suburbanites moving into the city for the first time???
29 posted on 07/20/2008 8:23:51 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: wtc911

Dollar wise, maybe. Freedom wise? I don’t think so.


30 posted on 07/20/2008 8:27:03 AM PDT by DocH (hussein and juan - what kind of choice is THAT? God help us.)
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To: shrinkermd
The tenets of suburban life are the oxygen in the economic bloodstream, and the nation is suffering hypoxia. The reason a lot of folks think we're just getting warmed up on an economic swoon is that the global economy democRat Party has neatly garroted all the drivers that make suburbs flourish.

Fixed it.

31 posted on 07/20/2008 8:27:29 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: shrinkermd

Kinda hard to grow a garden in the city, isn’t it? A bad economy would drive people OUT of the cities into the country.


32 posted on 07/20/2008 8:29:57 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Chode

My guess is, as another poster noted, these are immigrants both legal and illegal rather than white flight from the suburbs to NYC.


33 posted on 07/20/2008 9:09:26 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
thx... that's even worse. i guess i was just thinking about city people moving back to the city have a better chance of finding adequate housing with an idea where they want to live, than those moving in without a clue.
34 posted on 07/20/2008 9:16:39 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: DocH

I do what I want, when I want.


35 posted on 07/20/2008 9:27:32 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: CapnJack

I’m with you.


36 posted on 07/20/2008 9:32:11 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: wtc911

Yeah... right.


37 posted on 07/20/2008 3:33:33 PM PDT by DocH (hussein and juan - what kind of choice is THAT? God help us.)
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