Posted on 07/20/2008 10:02:30 PM PDT by Red Steel
"Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian”
Senator Barack Hussein Obama claims to be a Christian; however, he gives no evidence of that. In fact, his heretical statement indicates that he, like many others, is simply a professor rather than a possessor of Christ. His revealing statement: “I believe there are many paths to the same place.” He is correct if one wants to go to Hoboken but not if one wants to go to Heaven. Christ is still the only way.
One does not have to be a Christian to be a good President, and a person might be a good President even if he were a Muslim. The big question: Is he lying and if so then we have every reason to question him before he gets to the Oval Office. It’s bad enough to have a liberal whose policies are like the elastic in an old lady’s drawers—stretching to fit any shape or circumstance but to have a liar in the Oval office (as we have seen before) could destroy us.
He went forward at Trinity United Church of Christ 20 years ago for membership but when was he baptized? Does Obama know that joining a church or being baptized have nothing to do with becoming a Christian? I have tried repeatedly to discover when he was baptized but without success. I talked and emailed Trinity and his website many times without success. The media person at Trinity told me that the church requires baptism either before applying for membership or at that time. So, was he baptized and if not, why not? Did his pastor at the time make special provisions for him? It’s a very simple question that can be easily answered. If he has never been baptized, why not?
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what evidence do we have his name was Barry Sotero?
That makes three of us!
The Media has got to have noticed something by now.
I am allergic to pork. I have all kinds of alternatives like turkey bacon.
The baptism question is just the beginning and needs answered to ask the other questions. Get the truth out to the denying media, even O’rielly says Obie is a christian and no on should ask about faith, what about truth and his background. Big media, soros and news sources want this socialist POS to lead us
that was the name he registered in school with in malaysia, although formal adoption is forbidden in islam. his mother was not married to the Obama from Kenya just bred by him. his half sister is a sotero.
Do we have the registration papers from his school? or how do we know that?
his interviewed classmates,teachers and sister. He wont even release a real birth certificate.
Obama’s Years of Living Dangerously
“A man who ceases to believe in God does not believe in nothing; he believes in anything.”
G.K. Chesterton
It would seem that many of our nation’s liberals are fully satisfied with CNN’s “drive by” reporting on the Obama story. Insight reported... CNN flew in and debunked and that is it... story is over. Pack up the camera crew and jet off somewhere else.
In the wake of everything, many of us though are left dumbfounded because we just can’t seem to put our finger on what exactly CNN supposedly debunked.
CNN’s claim that Obama attended a multi-confessional, secular public school in Jakarta, Indonesia that has hardly changed in the last 35 years seems hard to believe.
Many are not interested in what CNN claims Obama’s school is like now. We want to know what was it like back then in the late 60’s and early 70’s.
And so... on to what CNN’s “drive by” reporting left out.
As reported, a young “Barry Soetoro” registered for school at the Franciscan Asisi Primary School on 1 January 1968. The late sixties and early seventies would be see an Indonesia in turmoil with the pro-communist Sukarno being overthown by the pro-muslim Suharto.
Less than a year before a young “Barry Soetoro” had registered for school, Indonesia would have witnessed one of the worst slaughters of the twentieth century, when over half a million PKI (Parti Komunis Indonesia) members and their supporters were slaughtered by General Suharto’s principally Muslim military and their supporters. A vivid portrayal of the events leading up to Sukarno’s overthrow can be seen in the Mel Gibson movie entitled “The Year of Living Dangerously”
In 1967 the nationalist and pro-communist Sukarno was overthrown by General Suharto. On 21 March 1968, Suharto would be formally elected as President.
Under Suharto, Sukarno’s state ideology of Pancasila taught in all schools would under go an “indigenization” process in which all Marxist and Western elements of the ideology would be systematically eradicated and replaced with indigenous elements. Religious teachings and ethics related to Islam would become more pronounced in Pancasila as a unifying factor for the mostly Muslim country.
During this “indigenization” process and time of instability it is safe to assume that there would be a fair amount of backlash against any Western individuals living in Indonesia.
Witnesses reported here below that “there were claims that the child was from Papau” when asked about a young Barry Soetoro. It is hard to imagine what life might have been like for a young American mother and her child living in Indonesia at this time.
There have been no explanations as to why Barack Obama’s family moved from their original residence to Dempo Street or why Obama’s family removed him from the Franciscan Asisi School and enrolled him in Besuki Primary.
What is known is that Indonesia’s education system was experiencing a major transformation with religion (Islam) now playing a much more pivotal role.
In 1976, Lambert Kelabora published a paper entitled “Religious Instruction Policy in Indonesia” which addresses many of the questions regarding what Barack Obama’s Indonesian education was like in the late 1960’s and early 70’s.
An excerpt from the first page of this paper reads clearly indicates it’s relevency:
“Religion permeates every section of life in Indonesia. It occupies an enormously important place in politics, economics, education, and the arts. For this reason, the study of religious education will have to include almost almost all aspects of Indonesian society. This article, however, is intended to study the development of religious instruction in the government schools - only a small section of the wider spectrum of religious education. The term religious instruction is used advisedly to refer to the religious lessons provided in secular education institutions under the Ministry of Education.”
Another paper published in the late 70’s entitled “Assumptions Underlying Religious Instruction in Indonesia” explains in great detail how Indonesia’s education system was changing.
“However the changing political and security situation in the country since 1949 has made religion a compulsory subject for all, from pre-primary to tertiary level...”
Over the last week, I have received many emails, many supportive and many others downright hateful accusing me of being anything from a bigot, a racist and and even an islamophobe.
The truth is that I am not any of these things. Like many others, I simply wanted to know the truth.
Posted by Lao at 6:01 PM
Oh, don’t worry. Even if he WASN’T baptized, I’m sure the TUCC will work up a certificate and post it on the Daily KOookS.
The United Church of Christ was formed by a merger of the Congregational churchs and the Evangelical and Reformed churches around 1958. I was a member of a Congregational church at that time, but converted to Catholicism in December 1958.
At the time I was a member of the Congregational Church, Baptism (in the usual sense) was NOT a requirement for membership. I had been “Baptized by affirmation” in the Congregational church at the time I became a full member around 1953 which just meant that I verbally affirmed that I wanted to be a member of the church — there was no other ceremony and no certificates granted to commemorate the occasion.
Naturally, I was Baptized with water and oil and received a certificate when I joined the Catholic church.
My point is that if Trinity United Church of Christ followed the rules of the old Congregational churches, there may have been no formal Baptism required for membership. The old Congregational churches operated as individual congregations, making their own rules according to a vote of the membership. I do not remember anything about the merger in the late ‘50s that over-ruled that tradition in the churches that joined together into the body now known as United Church of Christ. The old Congregational churches were very proud of “having no creed”.
The evidence is overwhelming:
http://theobamafile.com/ObamaIslam.htm
Baptized? Heck, I’d like to know when he was circumsized. Matter of fact, I know some folks who’d do it for free...
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Circumcision is not required for Christians...now Muslims on the other hand.
has anyone seen what he eats? does he eat pork or any other haram foods?
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When I saw him on TV yesterday he seemed to be eating with his LEFT hand.
Thank you so much
left hand... and that means what to you?
that is some good information. Do you have any information of the name Barry?
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