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(update) NYT times responds about refusing mccain op-ed
NYT ^ | July 21, 2008, | NYT

Posted on 07/21/2008 6:15:11 PM PDT by edzo4

The Op-Ed section of The New York Times has decided not to publish an opinion piece submitted by Senator John McCain in response to one published last week by his Democratic rival, Senator Barack Obama, on his plan for Iraq. Mr. Obama is on center stage today with his overseas trip to Afghanistan and Iraq, and Mr. McCain is hitting back from home with attacks that he has been right all along in achieving stability in the war zone through sustained support of President Bush’s troop buildup over this year. On Mr. McCain’s Op-Ed, Matt Drudge posted online what he said was the original submission by Mr. McCain. According to his post, the senator wrote about Mr. Obama: “I am dismayed that he never talks about winning the war — only of ending it… if we don’t win the war, our enemies will. A triumph for the terrorists would be a disaster for us. That is something I will not allow to happen as president.” Tucker Bounds, a McCain campaign spokesman, issued this statement: “John McCain believes that victory in Iraq must be based on conditions on the ground, not arbitrary timetables. Unlike Barack Obama, that position will not change based on politics or the demands of the New York Times.” Times officials said that the decision not to publish Mr. McCain’s submission should not be considered a total rejection of the article by the presumptive Republican nominee. Rather, David Shipley, editor of the Op-Ed page, kicked back the original version while offering suggestions for changes and revision.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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lol' they going to end up printing it anyways

their entire excuse is here:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/the-times-and-the-mccain-op-ed/

1 posted on 07/21/2008 6:15:11 PM PDT by edzo4
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To: edzo4

Noo Yawk Times? That sleazy, lying outfit bleeding investors’ money while they downsize? No tears here when she goes under.


2 posted on 07/21/2008 6:17:17 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: edzo4
I'm shocked, shocked that the NY Times is in bed with the RAT nominee for President.

On the bright side, how many people read the Slimes these days? About 50?

3 posted on 07/21/2008 6:17:21 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Barack Obama is lika a bowl of chili - - he's full of beans.)
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To: edzo4

NYT: Not fit to line a bird cage!


4 posted on 07/21/2008 6:18:00 PM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: edzo4

What he wrote.

The DRUDGE REPORT presents the McCain editorial in its submitted form:

In January 2007, when General David Petraeus took command in Iraq, he called the situation “hard” but not “hopeless.” Today, 18 months later, violence has fallen by up to 80% to the lowest levels in four years, and Sunni and Shiite terrorists are reeling from a string of defeats. The situation now is full of hope, but considerable hard work remains to consolidate our fragile gains.

Progress has been due primarily to an increase in the number of troops and a change in their strategy. I was an early advocate of the surge at a time when it had few supporters in Washington. Senator Barack Obama was an equally vocal opponent. “I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there,” he said on January 10, 2007. “In fact, I think it will do the reverse.”

Now Senator Obama has been forced to acknowledge that “our troops have performed brilliantly in lowering the level of violence.” But he still denies that any political progress has resulted.

Perhaps he is unaware that the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has recently certified that, as one news article put it, “Iraq has met all but three of 18 original benchmarks set by Congress last year to measure security, political and economic progress.” Even more heartening has been progress that’s not measured by the benchmarks. More than 90,000 Iraqis, many of them Sunnis who once fought against the government, have signed up as Sons of Iraq to fight against the terrorists. Nor do they measure Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki’s new-found willingness to crack down on Shiite extremists in Basra and Sadr City—actions that have done much to dispel suspicions of sectarianism.

The success of the surge has not changed Senator Obama’s determination to pull out all of our combat troops. All that has changed is his rationale. In a New York Times op-ed and a speech this week, he offered his “plan for Iraq” in advance of his first “fact finding” trip to that country in more than three years. It consisted of the same old proposal to pull all of our troops out within 16 months. In 2007 he wanted to withdraw because he thought the war was lost. If we had taken his advice, it would have been. Now he wants to withdraw because he thinks Iraqis no longer need our assistance.

To make this point, he mangles the evidence. He makes it sound as if Prime Minister Maliki has endorsed the Obama timetable, when all he has said is that he would like a plan for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops at some unspecified point in the future.

Senator Obama is also misleading on the Iraqi military’s readiness. The Iraqi Army will be equipped and trained by the middle of next year, but this does not, as Senator Obama suggests, mean that they will then be ready to secure their country without a good deal of help. The Iraqi Air Force, for one, still lags behind, and no modern army can operate without air cover. The Iraqis are also still learning how to conduct planning, logistics, command and control, communications, and other complicated functions needed to support frontline troops.

No one favors a permanent U.S. presence, as Senator Obama charges. A partial withdrawal has already occurred with the departure of five “surge” brigades, and more withdrawals can take place as the security situation improves. As we draw down in Iraq, we can beef up our presence on other battlefields, such as Afghanistan, without fear of leaving a failed state behind. I have said that I expect to welcome home most of our troops from Iraq by the end of my first term in office, in 2013.

But I have also said that any draw-downs must be based on a realistic assessment of conditions on the ground, not on an artificial timetable crafted for domestic political reasons. This is the crux of my disagreement with Senator Obama.

Senator Obama has said that he would consult our commanders on the ground and Iraqi leaders, but he did no such thing before releasing his “plan for Iraq.” Perhaps that’s because he doesn’t want to hear what they have to say. During the course of eight visits to Iraq, I have heard many times from our troops what Major General Jeffrey Hammond, commander of coalition forces in Baghdad, recently said: that leaving based on a timetable would be “very dangerous.”

The danger is that extremists supported by Al Qaeda and Iran could stage a comeback, as they have in the past when we’ve had too few troops in Iraq. Senator Obama seems to have learned nothing from recent history. I find it ironic that he is emulating the worst mistake of the Bush administration by waving the “Mission Accomplished” banner prematurely.

I am also dismayed that he never talks about winning the war—only of ending it. But if we don’t win the war, our enemies will. A triumph for the terrorists would be a disaster for us. That is something I will not allow to happen as president. Instead I will continue implementing a proven counterinsurgency strategy not only in Iraq but also in Afghanistan with the goal of creating stable, secure, self-sustaining democratic allies.


5 posted on 07/21/2008 6:19:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Texas Eagle
I'm shocked, shocked that the NY Times is in bed with the RAT nominee for President.

Here's the pic...

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6 posted on 07/21/2008 6:23:20 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: edzo4

Amazing, yet truly predictable, how low the NYTimes continues to sink while clinging to their liberal orthodoxy.


7 posted on 07/21/2008 6:24:31 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: skinkinthegrass

Much obliged.


8 posted on 07/21/2008 6:24:37 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Barack Obama is lika a bowl of chili - - he's full of beans.)
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To: edzo4
David Shipley, editor of the Op-Ed page, kicked back the original version while offering suggestions for changes and revision.

Probably suggested that McCain insert an endorsement for Obama for President somewhere in the editorial...

9 posted on 07/21/2008 6:26:14 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: edzo4; All

LOL,whether you are for or against McCain, you just have to love the horns of the dilemma that the NYT finds themselves between.

If you print it, it makes Obama look like an idiot, and rightfully so because it IS very well written. If they print it, they get gored on that horn.

If they don’t print it, it gets bigger, and Bigger, and BIGGER, it starts getting printed everywhere, people start actually READING it, and Obama looks like an idiot AND the NYT looks like a bunch of REAL idiots, and biased ones at that, and you get impaled on that horn.

If they try to avoid either horn by riding in the middle, they get the worst of ALL worlds, they look like idiots, they look biased, their candidate of choice looks even stupider, more inexperienced and even MORE anti-military, if that is even possible.

Hehe. I LOVE this. This is GREAT!

Watching this, you see the stupidity of liberals who think they have power, just to see them realize they cut off their fingers with the table saw they were trying to build a castle with.

I love it.


10 posted on 07/21/2008 6:27:16 PM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: edzo4
McCain drop kicked Obama. Drudge publishing his editorial in full just drop kicked the New York Times. The left is utterly bankrupt.
11 posted on 07/21/2008 6:28:20 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: edzo4
It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece.

Unreal. Could they be any more brazen? I didn't think my opinion of the NYT could go any lower, but here it is.

12 posted on 07/21/2008 6:30:45 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Texas Eagle
Much obliged.....n/p. :)
your tagline: "......full of beans"....your much too kind....
he's a walkin' CO2 Alert....FR "civility" must be respected
13 posted on 07/21/2008 6:31:12 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: Jet Jaguar
The NY Times:

The Internet media:


14 posted on 07/21/2008 6:37:25 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not die)
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To: edzo4

This looks like a wardrobe malfunction at the NY Times.... John McCain should tell’em to go pound sand.


15 posted on 07/21/2008 6:40:21 PM PDT by ptsal
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To: edzo4

to the minders and P/C EDITORS AT Free Republic.... Guess which finger is pointed in your direction?


16 posted on 07/21/2008 6:40:22 PM PDT by ptsal
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To: coconutt2000
Ms Shipley is a former Clintonite and I think fellow left wing comrade is Claire Shipley of ABC.The Dem party network that planned the October surprise about Foley . What a shocker !
18 posted on 07/21/2008 6:44:40 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thanks. Nicely written response. I wonder what the NYT didn’t like about it. Other than it makes obama look incompetent that is.


19 posted on 07/21/2008 6:46:54 PM PDT by Need4Truth
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To: JaguarXKE

Leave a comment on the NY Times page...if they allow it. I just tried.


20 posted on 07/21/2008 6:47:05 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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