Posted on 07/22/2008 7:00:05 AM PDT by peggybac
Liberals eventually take over all the great little cities. The infrastructure of most of these cities were the result of conservatives hard work. Liberals flock there because of it’s beauty and cleanliness and then start their work liberalizing it. Next comes the reduction of law and order and the welcoming of people with drug and other addictions. Homeless flock there and drug deals are visible on street corners. Beggars are allowed by mandate. The arts crowd rule the day and taxes rise. Churches lose appeal and lose members. It has happened most profoundly in North Carolina. Asheville, Durham, Chapel Hill, Boone, and soon Raleigh. Charlotte remains fairly conservative however.
I hate to tell you this, but from what I understand this is pretty much normal. It beats the lawn signs...”Marines/Sailors and dogs stay off the grass”
I don't have a dog in this fight, but if I owned a nightclub, that's the attitude that most assuredly would not belong to my ideal male patron.
I remember in 1963 as a chief attempted to enter a bar and was turned away for being in uniform. Nothing has changed it seems over the years
I remember a story about a town getting fed up with the army base nearby and withholding services. The base commander supposedly had his entire base paid with $2 bills. The town got the message.
You always have the issue of 18 to 20 year old military guys with little money but more than the high school boys snaking the available honeys and causing anger.
Also blowing of steam in bars, that's why there is Shore patrol working with the local police.
I have been to tied up at Seattle where they had a host a sailor program and some of the hostesses were hot. So it's a mixed bag. I'd give the local bars a break until I found out just what caused the “lock out”. Anti-military sentiment or rowdy sailors big difference.
''O it's 'Tommy this' and 'Tommy that',
''And, 'Chuck 'im out, the brute!''
''But it's 'The thin red line o' heroes'
''When the guns begin to shoot.''
I had very bad experiences in Wilmington back in 1991.
I was home for my sister’s wedding and decided to visit my old Army battery Executive Officer (XO) in Wilmington. I stopped by Bragg and picked up my college roommate from the 82nd ABN and headed to Wilmington.
When we were there, we were clean-cut and well dressed, as were were all active or former officers and we certainly weren’t out looking for trouble.
We sat in one bar for 20 minutes without a single waitress stopping by. When I attempted to flag one down, she walked by no more than one foot and ignored my “Excuse me, Miss?”. We sat there another 5 minutes and left without being served.
As soon as we were in the parking lot, a cop came out of the shadows at the side (WTF?) and started trying to roust us. He asked for our IDs and asked what we were doing there.
We sucked it up and answered his questions, handing over our IDs. I asked what we did wrong and the cop wouldn’t say. Just playing the heavy for the bar.
One story is an anecdote.
Hundreds of stories is a statistic.
The whole poem’s apropriate to this situation, but I didn’t want to get in trouble for a scrolling violation. ;-P
An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!
Fact of the matter is, many bars and clubs will not let in large groups of young guys if they do not have any women with them. This isn't limited to servicemen, though it would effect them more visibly in communities with military bases nearby. I encountered this in college occasionally when our rowing crew would all go out together. Regardless of your race or profession, a bunch of single guys are going to have a tough time getting into a bar as a group.
As a bar owner, that's where your trouble tends to come from- large groups of single men, whether athletes, servicemen or less savory characters like gang members.
There is a bar here in DC, Hawk and Dove that won't let two or more Marines in unless they are with dates or in uniform.
A few years ago, while visiting NYC, I went to one of the fancy clubs in the Meatpacking District with my wife and three of her female friends. They're all quite attractive and were wearing their best going-out outfits. We were about to get in line, but one of the bouncers waved us to the front. A group of 5 meathead guys standing standing near the front started complaining they'd been waiting forever- the bouncer suggested that they bring some women with them next time.
That'a just how it works- young, single guys in large groups aren't really what clubs or bars are looking for.
I never encountered a problem with the visiting sailors during Fleet Week in NYC when I lived there. But I’m guessing the sailors of all nations are read the riot act about their behavior before they go ashore for that event- bad behavior would be a public relations nightmare and any sailors involved would be in for a world of hurt.
Frankly, I tend to avoid military and cop bars (firemen bars are okay, for some reason). Not an environment you generally want to be in as an outsider if trouble starts (especially cop bars).
Could not of said it better myself. If I owned a club I would not have let my army green self in. Not much money, great physical condition and did not know my limits or my mortality.
So true. I was in the Navy in the 50s and the older guys talked of getting in fights as to which ship was better. In my time I saw brawls where the submariners took on the "surface skimmers".
The tale I liked best took place in a bar in the UK during WWII. Some Brit comes up to a U.S. sailor and asks what the two stars on the flap of his uniform signifies. The sailor replied, "That's for the two times we beat Hell out of England - and there's room for plenty more!" It took the bobbies a half hour to break up the ensuing fight.
I just found out last night that our next youngest grandson is signing up for the Navy. He’s a Jr right now but is 17 so he has a couple of years to get in shape etc.
I’m extremely proud of both of our grandsons, although I admit, I’m already experiencing the “empty grandma’s nest syndrome”...
I got out 40 years ago this week....I'm sure your husband recalls the term "Service Trash", 'cause that's what we were generally considered...even - hell, especially - in Oceanside.
I remember those broads at Georgetown didn’t like my Marines hitting on them at all those bars on M street or Wisconsin Ave, in D.C. I gotta say, it was really funny watching a Lcpl, or even a Sgt from East Jesus, Missisippi trying to rap with Muffy St. John the IVth of Olde Greenwich, Connecticut. Those broads really showed their snob factor. I just loved the look on their faces when after a half hour of conversation, they’d get to asking me what I did for a living, where I went to school, only to tell them I was an Lt in the Corps. Many times the conversation went sour, because I wasn’t: working for some lib congressman or senator, or some namby pamby civilian agency. Good times back then.....
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