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Handgun permit fears fail to materialize
Postbulletin.com ^ | 21 July, 2008 | Heather J. Carlson

Posted on 07/23/2008 10:50:41 AM PDT by marktwain

A mother of young children. A retired corporate executive. A victim of violent crime.

Number of right-to-carry permits issued from 4/28/2003 to 12/31/2007 County Number Rate per 1,000 Dodge 166 8.5 Fillmore 160 7.6 Goodhue 387 8.4 Houston 246 12.6 Mower 233 6.1 Olmsted 1,140 8.2 Wabasha 287 12.8 Winona 487 9.8 Total valid permits in Minnesota: 51,347 Source: Minn. Bureau of Criminal Apprenhension

These are just some of the people seeking permits to carry handguns whom Sue Bierly has trained at the Minnesota Southern Sportman's Club in Rochester.

"They come from all walks of life and professions," said Bierly, a National Rifle Association certified trainer.

It has been five years since lawmakers approved a measure allowing easier access to handgun permits. With the permits issued the first year set to expire this year, area sheriffs' offices are seeing a rush of residents seeking to renew them.

First-time applicants

Meanwhile, Olmsted County Sheriff Steven Von Wald said his staff reports seeing more first-time applicants, something he said could be linked to news reports of gang activity and shootings.

"We're busier than the devil again right now, because it is five-year renewal time, and we've also got more people applying for it. I think the news in the community frankly has something to do with it," Von Wald said.

Fierce debate surrounded lawmakers' approval of the gun permit law in 2003. Opponents rallied against the measure in Rochester's Peace Plaza, arguing it would lead to more gun violence and crime. Meanwhile, supporters contended that carrying a handgun is a Constitutional right that would help deter crime.

An incident at this year's Fourth of July celebration in Rochester brought the issue of handgun permits back into the headlines. A 25-year-old man with a permit to carry a handgun is accused of pulling out a handgun while thousands gathered at Silver Lake for the fireworks show. The man told authorities he was concerned about a car driving through the crowd and thought it had hit someone before striking a tree. He since has been charged with a gross misdemeanor of dangerous weapons -- intentionally pointing a gun.

Should residents be concerned about handgun permit holders? Local authorities say no. Rochester Police Chief Roger Peterson said the July Fourth incident is the only case he can recall since the law was passed where a crime was linked to the handgun permit law.

"I think the fears and concerns didn't materialize, and I don't think (the law) has had a significant impact on crime, frankly, one way or the other," Peterson said.

Permit numbers

One thing is for sure -- interest in the handgun permits has proved to be far less than initially projected. Official legislative reports estimated that 90,000 handgun permits would be issued statewide within three years of the law passing. In 2007, 51,347 permits statewide had been issued, according to the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. In Olmsted County, 1,140 permits had been issued through 2007, meaning less than 1 percent of county residents has a right to carry a handgun.

"It is not a situation that most of our population is armed," Peterson said. "Most people don't see the need to carry a gun in public still, which I think is a good thing."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; gun; minnesota
"In Olmsted County, 1,140 permits had been issued through 2007, meaning less than 1 percent of county residents has a right to carry a handgun."

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Wrong. All but the felons, children, and mentally incapacitated have the right. They are just not using it.

1 posted on 07/23/2008 10:50:43 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Submitted my renewal last week....


2 posted on 07/23/2008 10:57:45 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams Since 11/20/06)
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To: marktwain

Carrying and carrying concealed are different. When Alaska began the concealed handgun permit a decade ago many predictions of all kinds of disaster or massive reduction in violent crime were put forth. After the concealed handgun permits were issued, it was noted that it made no difference at all to anybody or anything. NO DIFFERENCE.


3 posted on 07/23/2008 11:04:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: RightWhale

Actually, not quite so true. As our good friend and author of “More Guns Less Crime” John Lott put forth, there was a significant reduction (statistically significant) in vilolent crime. It directly correlated to Alaska’s CCW program as well.

Get the book, read it, be informed, it’s POWERFUL knowledge.


4 posted on 07/23/2008 11:11:07 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51 ("...If it moves, tax it, if it moves faster, regulate it, if it stops, subsidies it.")
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To: marktwain
Number of right-to-carry permits issued from 4/28/2003 to 12/31/2007 County Number Rate per 1,000 Dodge 166 8.5 Fillmore 160 7.6 Goodhue 387 8.4 Houston 246 12.6 Mower 233 6.1 Olmsted 1,140 8.2 Wabasha 287 12.8 Winona 487 9.8 Total valid permits in Minnesota: 51,347 Source: Minn. Bureau of Criminal Apprenhension

Meanwhile over here in Illinois, the number of permits issued remains steady at zero.

5 posted on 07/23/2008 11:32:23 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (My 80 percent friend is not my enemy. Ronald Reagan)
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To: marktwain

Ya read my mind. In Rush’s immortal phrase, “words mean things”.

Colonel, USAFR


6 posted on 07/23/2008 11:41:51 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: RightWhale

“After the concealed handgun permits were issued, it was noted that it made no difference at all to anybody or anything. NO DIFFERENCE.”


Now, after more improvement in the law, you do not need a permit to carry a gun concealed in Alaska.

This is an example all states should follow.


7 posted on 07/23/2008 11:49:22 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

JULY 22, 2008
Obama Backs UN Bill to Disarm Americans

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s2433/show


8 posted on 07/23/2008 12:05:32 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: marktwain
We had the same fear-mongering in our state during the debate about CCW. Now with well over 20,000 permits issued, and almost ZERO problems, the handwringers still are not able to accept the law, despite being completely wrong. It looks like Dodge City was a lot more peaceful than they assured us it was, because with so many people carrying, we have “Dodge City” right here, right now, and blood is not “flowing in the streets”.
9 posted on 07/23/2008 12:08:21 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Graybeard58
Meanwhile over here in Illinois, the number of permits issued remains steady at zero.

Not true!

If you are an elected official or a part of the Democrat political machine you can get a permit!

After all, they have more rights than you, peasant. Now back to the mines with you!

10 posted on 07/23/2008 12:12:48 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: marktwain

***meaning less than 1 percent of county residents has a right to carry a handgun.***

No, meaning less than one percent bothered to jump through unconstitutional hoops to legally exercise their God-given right.


11 posted on 07/23/2008 10:13:35 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: marktwain

I’m good till 2010.


12 posted on 07/23/2008 10:32:17 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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