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Riddle of Lusitania sinking may finally be solved
The Times (London) ^

Posted on 07/23/2008 1:00:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Alia

I have a couple of those in my collection as well.

They were much later proven to be merely a propaganda tool and all issued by the British government, even the supposed “Goetz” version printed in German.


121 posted on 07/23/2008 3:24:10 PM PDT by LAforme2008
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To: Alia

Oddly enough, it was in an article about that very medallion that I first heard of the Lusitania.


122 posted on 07/23/2008 3:25:33 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: LAforme2008

Yep — and one of the biggest German propaganda blunders of all time.


123 posted on 07/23/2008 3:32:40 PM PDT by Alia
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To: null and void
Cool! Creepy little medallion isn't it. :) In the April 1994 issue, National Geographic carried an article about the Lusitania which included photos of the medallion. I keep that copy with the medallion.
124 posted on 07/23/2008 3:35:41 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

It would be a bit like our “Our Dear Friends, the Saudis” issuing a commemorative medallion celebrating the success of the WTC attack. (154 Israelis killed, maybe 2 or 3 people from muslim countries)...


125 posted on 07/23/2008 3:39:29 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: null and void

lol! Yep.


126 posted on 07/23/2008 3:41:48 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

Except the Germans never issues the medallions.

They were all later proved to have been issued by the British government in the guise of having been issued by Germany as a “trophy.”


127 posted on 07/23/2008 3:43:59 PM PDT by LAforme2008
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To: LAforme2008
According to the information I know, Germany did indeed issue the very first: and got the date wrong.

British Intel then issued a copy of the first medallion.

128 posted on 07/23/2008 3:49:10 PM PDT by Alia
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To: crazydad
Unfortunetly the germans probably had good reason to sink it. Just saying!

The Germans actually advertised in the shipping pages of the New York papers that they could not guarantee the safety of passengers embarking on the Lusitania. This was routine during the Great War.

The Lustitania was operating in war zone. Ireland was then part of the United Kingdom. Further, she was carrying Canadian Army officers, bound for Flanders, as well as some of their wives. She was also laden with cargo, including cotton. Any cargo had military signifigance. She also had a Royal Navy contingent and two deck mounted six inch guns which would have precluded any possibility for a U-Boat to have issued a challenge or a warning. (The Lusitania had a great speed advantage over any U-Boat. The U-Boats depended on passenger ships running into their path.)

129 posted on 07/23/2008 3:52:12 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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To: nickcarraway

btt


130 posted on 07/23/2008 4:03:59 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: tarheelswamprat

“It was attitudes like yours that led to the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor...”

Miscreant! The Germans were not then in posession of a single bomb that could do all of that damage. Of course neither were the Japs. So the question among SERIOUS Historians is WHO bombed Pearl and HOW did they frame the hapless Japs for the atrocity?


131 posted on 07/23/2008 4:06:14 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: SolidWood

VERY sharp uniforms!


132 posted on 07/23/2008 4:08:53 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Hazwaste
I think the German Army should bring back those spikey helmets.

The central spike on the "Pickelhaube" helmet of the Imperial German Army of WWI had only one purpose. To deflect the stroke of a cavalryman's saber. Since the machinegun made a cavalry charge even more insane than an infantry charge, and the base helmet design was only hardened leather, it was quickly replaced by the "coal scuttle" helmet which was still in use in WWII...

the infowarrior

133 posted on 07/23/2008 4:11:25 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: crazydad
The germans in WW1 were just honoring treaties with Austria Hungary and Got into the war when Arch Duke Ferdinand was assassinated but the Serbians.

Entangling alliances helped start WWI,but Serbia was guilty of state sponsored Terrorism

History is written by the victors

134 posted on 07/23/2008 4:17:36 PM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: crazydad
The germans in WW1 were just honoring treaties with Austria Hungary and Got into the war when Arch Duke Ferdinand was assasinated but the Serbians.

So they invaded Belgium. Germans: some military competence, lousy sense of direction.

135 posted on 07/23/2008 4:20:43 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (In Cleveland: No one may kill a mouse in the streets without a hunting license)
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To: TalBlack

< troofer > It was an inside job. The fires inside our battleships didn’t get hot enough to melt steel... < /troofer >


136 posted on 07/23/2008 4:28:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: weegee
“The RMS Lusitania sank off the coast of Cork in May 1915 when a German U-boat torpedoed it.”

Riddle solved.

That wouldn't be enough to sink it wnless a hole was made in the hull so seawater could enter. Then it would sink

137 posted on 07/23/2008 4:36:11 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (In Cleveland: No one may kill a mouse in the streets without a hunting license)
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To: TalBlack
So the question among SERIOUS Historians is WHO bombed Pearl and HOW did they frame the hapless Japs for the atrocity?

Senator Blutarsky knows...

138 posted on 07/23/2008 4:52:38 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Utter crap.

No Canadian troops on the passenger manifest. And you got any photographs of those 6" guns Sparky?

139 posted on 07/23/2008 4:57:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (In Cleveland: No one may kill a mouse in the streets without a hunting license)
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To: Oztrich Boy

The Canadians were traveling in mufti and registered as civilians so as not to violate U.S. neutrality. New York port officials were sympathetic to Britain and did not pry into details about passengers or cargo.

Almost all large passenger ships carried deck guns and the captain of the U-Boat had to assume the Lusitania did. Simpson, a Brit, maintains that the Lusitania did.

Clearly, the Lusitania was a legimate target.

140 posted on 07/23/2008 5:22:57 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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