I spend very, very little time here; both of the people I mentioned were on other sites (though they may post here too, for all I know). If you would like some other examples, take a look at this, this, and anything that Ann Coulter has ever said about anything.
"Why not journey over to DU and check out the reactions whenever a conservative is ill or dies."
And I have spoken against that whenever it has happened. My point is not that there isn't also a lot of hatred on the Left, it's that nobody on the Left has been driven by that hatred to gun down conservatives.
"you are still being irrational"
Were these posts, which were made before the gunman's motives were made public, also irrational?
"This is a symptom of a culture that feels free to spew venomous hatred and bigotry against people of faith. There is no doubt we will begin to see more of this."
"However, I do believe the current anti-religious bent of the press and certain institutions offers an 'excuse' to those with loose screws."
"If not some sort of secularist/materialist 'absolution' for reducing the number of 'those dangerous religious people'.
"Or some sort of 'Sam Harris/Christopher Hitchens Medal of Honor'."
"Unbelievers don't see the difference between Bible-based churches and non-Bible-based churches. They hate them all. I think it was yesterday that police shot an armed man who was preparing to attack a Christian radio station.
"Obviously we don't have the details yet, but the anti-Christian fervor that's building in this country and being fanned daily by the MSM, could easily have played a role."
"Another Theo-phobe on the loose."
And so on. Yes, there were quite a few people who disagreed with these comments, but none who considered them "hysterical" or "irrational".
"your hyperbole on the first post makes me wonder if you will go over to the Middle East and tell Ahmadinejhad to calm down his inner demon."
How many people do you, personally, know whose lives have been destroyed by Ahmadinejad? I know quite a few. Before it was outlawed, Ahmadinejad belonged to an organization devoted to the extermination of my religion. Incidentally, I actually have briefly communicated with Ahmadinejad via his blog (though he edited my post to make it seem as though it was supportive of him), and also once sent him an email regarding his country's nuclear program.
"I find you to have more tact than a Murray Mom"
A what?
"and I just will ask you to link to a post that has you acting like a missionary to the Left."
And bring a swarm of Freepers down upon our heads? No thank you. However, if you tell me how to send it to you privately, I'd be happy to.
"So what is so bad about hate?"
I defer to Those more eloquent than I:
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you..." —Matt 5:43-4
"The attributes of God are love and mercy; the attribute of Satan is hate. Therefore, he who is merciful and kind to his fellowmen is manifesting the divine attribute, and he who is hating and hostile toward a fellow creature is satanic. God is absolute love, even as Jesus Christ has declared, and Satan is utter hatred. Wherever love is witnessed, know that there is a manifestation of God’s mercy; whenever you meet hatred and enmity, know that these are the evidences and attributes of Satan." —'Abdu'l-Bahá
Sheesh, 3:43 and I am replying to this. I hope that you have the patience and the attention to deal with my lengthy reply. If not the conversation is over. I don’t know what else to say. This thread is basically dead except for a few more posts.
“yet you’ve seen TWO posters out of hundreds of thousands here on FR exhibiting this ‘very, very mainstream’ hate?”
I spend very, very little time here; both of the people I mentioned were on other sites (though they may post here too, for all I know). If you would like some other examples, take a look at this, this, and anything that Ann Coulter has ever said about anything.”
Ah, not to answer for the other poster, but I find it very interesting that you would point out that everything Anne Coulter has said is hate. Seems like you are indeed a very fickle hypocrite if you really do think that she is overflowing with hatred, as it is you “hate” her. I actually think that she is very funny, her comment on converting Muslim leaders to Christianity was very appropriate so close after 9/11, and her commentary on Christianity being more perfect is an endorsement of her religion. My problem with the Left is that hate is defined as those who do not agree with them.
“Why not journey over to DU and check out the reactions whenever a conservative is ill or dies.”
And I have spoken against that whenever it has happened. My point is not that there isn’t also a lot of hatred on the Left, it’s that nobody on the Left has been driven by that hatred to gun down conservatives. “
If I can recall, Cho might’ve been a member of the Left. Same thing with that one mall shooter, perhaps there was one that didn’t make the news(like the many Anti-PC stories that are ignored). Just because somebody on the Right(a deranged guy) grabbed a gun doesn’t mean a thing, the same thing with the Left. He was desperate and needed an outlet to target his rage. He was a Conservative, I agree, but a very mixed up one.
I am not getting
Into your self-righteous indignation which is very similar to how Bill Clinton reacted after the Murrah Building being bombed. Certainly for every Unabomber there is that lunatic. For every Ted Bundy there is a John Wayne Gacy.
“you are still being irrational”
“Were these posts, which were made before the gunman’s motives were made public, also irrational?
“This is a symptom of a culture that feels free to spew venomous hatred and bigotry against people of faith. There is no doubt we will begin to see more of this.”
“However, I do believe the current anti-religious bent of the press and certain institutions offers an ‘excuse’ to those with loose screws.”
“If not some sort of secularist/materialist ‘absolution’ for reducing the number of ‘those dangerous religious people’.
“Or some sort of ‘Sam Harris/Christopher Hitchens Medal of Honor’.”
“Unbelievers don’t see the difference between Bible-based churches and non-Bible-based churches. They hate them all. I think it was yesterday that police shot an armed man who was preparing to attack a Christian radio station.
“Obviously we don’t have the details yet, but the anti-Christian fervor that’s building in this country and being fanned daily by the MSM, could easily have played a role.”
“Another Theo-phobe on the loose.”
This might have to do with the fact that the initial ideas of who the killer is(like the DU branding the two Beltway snipers to be white redneck hicks) is that the guy was an Anti-Christian kind of nut like the guy who burned a few Baptist churches recently. Look at the comments again, they are all supposing that with a country that worships at the altar of atheism or of that with no faith, that it was a guy pushed on by the trappings of bigotry against religion to commit this. Remember there were some Churches that were burned some months ago. Later on it turned out that the guy was an Anti-Christian nut.
Surely you can even believe that a climate hostile to a religion may produce a few ruffians would it not? Or would focusing on that be called “hate” to you?
Let’s see: some people believing that because a gunman shot up in a Church that the guy wasn’t a bible believer or a guy with a particulary kind relationship to Christianity is irrational. Yet, you breaking down and acting like a missionary because the guy happened to be Conservative is not irrational? I also think, like most Liberals, you don’t get much of Conservative politics. You don’t understand so it becomes a foreign language that leaves us all looking like a tribe of cannibals.
“And so on. Yes, there were quite a few people who disagreed with these comments, but none who considered them “hysterical” or “irrational”.”
Ah, unfortunately for you I wouldn’t consider them hysterical and irrational. Personally I believe that you might as well open your mind if you do come on here. Just as how you probably believe that certain social groups are victimized by society, we here believe that certain social groups are victimized by the Left.
“your hyperbole on the first post makes me wonder if you will go over to the Middle East and tell Ahmadinejhad to calm down his inner demon.”
“How many people do you, personally, know whose lives have been destroyed by Ahmadinejad? I know quite a few. Before it was outlawed, Ahmadinejad belonged to an organization devoted to the extermination of my religion. Incidentally, I actually have briefly communicated with Ahmadinejad via his blog (though he edited my post to make it seem as though it was supportive of him), and also once sent him an email regarding his country’s nuclear program.”
Ah, so you are actually not on Ahmadinejhad’s side. Yet you believe that talking to him would play a role in a peace process. Can I ask you something?
You are a leader of a country. You might be a big-time leader high on top. You and your religion believes that there is a sort of messianic fervor to stay on top. You are a human being driven by desires like everybody else.
Now it seems like a country wants to deprive you of nuclear weapons, or of anything used to justify attacking foreign countries. Yet somehow that same country who you see as evil, in a moral relativistic state, has nukes and other weapons. So why would you give them up?
After a while there is very little to talk about. There might be compromises but that not only bruises an ego of somebody who is fielded off as a dictator but the dictator also feels better after the dictator breaks the agreement. Thereby my meaning to this is that only force can guarantee a lasting result, and if you want the agreement to be infinite, than overthrow the leader. Just like the simplest gun, nukes are good but only for those sober enough to use them wisely. Yet, like guns it is not the fact that a dictator has a weapon. It is the fact that the dictator is a dictator and has some moral screws loose somewhere down the road.
Than you might say sanctions will work. Well, my question is that are you punishing a country, a country’s people or their leader? Sanctions are just floating through dollar bills, giving leaders with immediate trade beneficiaries, and black market donuts to bypass them. So if a sanction doesn’t work, do you go into battle? Name me a rational end result guaranteed by talking? The closest might be Reagan and the USSR.
I do believe that it would be good to readily assess a situation with the minimalism of war, but on the other hand I believe that war could do a lot better than leaving people hostage to an out of control maniac. World Welfare buys Rock Concerts, in answer to a tag-line, but doing the dirty work brands you a villain for life. Ain’t it funny how the world works?
“I find you to have more tact than a Murray Mom”
I apologize, Murray Mom is the regular Liberal on here who usually hoists her pom poms for any Liberal strategy on here.
“and I just will ask you to link to a post that has you acting like a missionary to the Left.”
And bring a swarm of Freepers down upon our heads? No thank you. However, if you tell me how to send it to you privately, I’d be happy to.”
So what is the big deal? In fact I should really check your current posting history to see if you have answered other posts and not shown up as a provocateur enticing us to relive our lives declawed and neutered.
I will say one thing. Even though you act very typical for one of the Left, you have calmed down a lot after your hysterical first post on the subject. I still will note that perhaps on this scuffled dead thread to show us your results. In fact show us a thread or some link that dignifies why you came here all of a sudden and started throwing G-d’s name around like a preacher. Islam honor killings are indeed a widespread sin to induce hysterics but a guy acting on losing a job and killing two people. It makes me wonder what would’ve happened if Cho wasn’t such an angry against America nut.
Can I tell you a little secret? I have been looking for a good Receptionist/Clerical Job for many months. I am not fond of Liberals but then I do not want to act like I am disenfranchised and ready to cry like a baby, by also taking some people with me.
“So what is so bad about hate?”
I defer to Those more eloquent than I:
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you...” —Matt 5:43-4
“The attributes of God are love and mercy; the attribute of Satan is hate. Therefore, he who is merciful and kind to his fellowmen is manifesting the divine attribute, and he who is hating and hostile toward a fellow creature is satanic. God is absolute love, even as Jesus Christ has declared, and Satan is utter hatred. Wherever love is witnessed, know that there is a manifestation of God’s mercy; whenever you meet hatred and enmity, know that these are the evidences and attributes of Satan.” —’Abdu’l-Bahá”
Ah, indeed even though I am not a religious person. The problem is that either blind love or blind hate is not an answer of sorts. Blind hate does lead to all kinds of bad things but blind love tolerates it.
I do not hate, nor do I “hate hate”. I think that hate is indeed a natural human passion. But if you indeed confuse hate with anger, it is your passion to do so. Let me note that you hate “hate”. I am not saying that hate is a great thing, yet I am saying that to put yourself on a pedestal as a guy surrounded by flames of hate is a bad role of playing the victim.
I also believe that hate and greed, sorry to make your lips tremble at the heathen of humanity’s laws, but both actually should not be worshipped but rather should be given a second look. It is like how some actually take second looks at fear. Yet, as you know the hatred, as I do believe in it, from some of the posts is through passionate disagreement. Stop it, and the cold chill rushes in and freezes the human race.
If you do induce religion into this conversation, I would you prefer to read many of the religious posts on here. There are lots more on here who can debate theology more eloquently than I.