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To: tpanther
My whole point is that while the truth may be on one's side, there is also a flip side. There is more than one truism at play sometimes in a given situation. While a couple on this thread thought it was a good idea to make sure everyone knew their opinion that all these people at the Unitarian church were not Christian and thus going to hell (their opinion), others were remarking at the incredible demonstration of love and heroism the foster father demonstrated on behalf of his family and friends in shielding them from the gunman and sacrificing his life for theirs. Here is the other cold-hard, put-it-in-your-pipe and smoke it truth that cannot be denied:

If we took a poll of the angels of heaven, or even of the visitors of this thread (ostensibly those that these righteous posters were wanting to save from wrong thinking), asking them who demonstrated Christ-like love more:

  1. the foster father (who according to a couple on the thread was heading straight to hell, btw), or
  2. the snarky posters barking to no one in particular but peeing their righteous opinion over every one's grief and sorrow but who might have a point to make about the error in doctrine the Unitarians have.
Which do you think the angels would choose as the most Christ-like?

If you miss this one you have not a chance in heaven, imho. All but the most hopelessly self righteous will vote for the foster father. And you know what, I think God has an easier time forgiving his doctrinal error because of his love than forgiving the righteous posters who demonstrate none.

58 posted on 07/28/2008 10:30:16 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

True, yet one can demonstrate Christ-like love and still not be saved! People can do good works all their lives but still wind up in hell.

Personally, I myself wouldn’t point this out once a person has passed (by natural means, by stepping in front of a shotgun blast, etc.) it’s too late anyway if they don’t believe, however those left behind need to understand they can’t just pick out the warm fuzzy scriptures to suit their needs either.

There are those people that don’t get that unless there’s a dramatic in their face moment of mortality.

Shiites and sunnis are blowing themselves into shreds and it’s miserable and sad to be sure, but it’s important for ALL people to know that NO MAN comes to the Father except through His Son Jesus Christ.

One would THINK that if a person believes that Jesus died for his sins and is therefore saved, and asks for forgiveness, he would therefore demonstrate Christ-like love all the time, and behave with compassion, but God uses people in ways we do not understand also.

I understand some folks have no interest in the message, just their delivery, but that’s not always the case even though that’s the way it sometimes appears.

We’re in danger of doing the very thing we accuse THEM of doing if we expect perfect Christ-like love from them, or pretend they have to be flawless and be politically correct. We’re all human and all sinners and don’t always understand others motives. And we don’t always know how God works through others.

When my brother was saved, he seemed to turn everyone around him off with the fire and brimstone sermons and I told him he’s more likely to bring people to Christ by more appealing means, but it was literally years later when I realized my error and understood many in his circle of friends NEEDED a good stiff wake-up call!

I can certainly see your points, it’s the ones we don’t so readily see that worry me more!

Frankly, I don’t know of a convenient time for ANY of us to feel judged by others, but it’s importaqnt that people DO know they will be judged, by Whom and by what standards.


61 posted on 07/29/2008 6:44:56 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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