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The Dangers of Neo-Conservative Economic Policies[Ron Paul]
House.gov ^ | 28 July 2008 | Ron Paul

Posted on 07/28/2008 12:01:54 PM PDT by BGHater

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To: wideawake

Well, we could frankly use some anti-federalist views these days. Paul opposes, at least in principle, the subsidies that benefit his own district. I don’t know whether he has ever tried to specifically eliminate those subsidies, but that doesn’t negate the truth of his assertions...Jefferson’s Louisiana Purchase wasn’t exactly anti-federalist, yet he remains that philosophy’s greatest proponent. In any event, we’re a long way from anarchism for goodness sake.


21 posted on 07/28/2008 12:50:39 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: wastedyears

“I never hear him say anything about Liberals. It’s always “neo-cons.” Just whose side is this guy on?”

Vicious and well paid junk yard dogs never attack their masters.

We are the targets of the lead junk yard dog and his wannabees, never the liberals.


22 posted on 07/28/2008 12:51:24 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama gets the special-ed treatment as our untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: Wuli
"As far as where the opposition to his ideas are coming from, even within GOP ranks, it is my belief that he is simply labeling that opposition as 'neo-conservative' because of the pejorative value he believes it has. However, I don't believe that opposition - conservative, moderate or liberal - is derived from or a result of anyone, specifically, arguing from a 'neo-conservative' position."

"Neo-con" is just an empty pejorative. It has no meaning beyond the intention of conveying a meaningless, non-specific negative impression.

23 posted on 07/28/2008 12:57:11 PM PDT by Dan Middleton
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To: fightinbluhen51

I understand and support much of that.

But why does he attribute these policies to “neo-cons?”


24 posted on 07/28/2008 12:57:34 PM PDT by Shermy (IÂ’m very proud of America giving me this opportunity. ItÂ’s a sign of enormous growth in this count)
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To: americanophile
There is a lot of truth in what Paul writes...

I agreed with almost everything he wrote.

I differ with him on tax his cuts to help the lower classes. Tax policy should not be arranged to benefit this group or that, but to raise revenue in a simple, effective, and constitutional way. If the income tax were constitutional (I believe it is not), only a flat tax on incomes would be acceptable.

25 posted on 07/28/2008 1:02:11 PM PDT by solfour
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To: Shermy
Neo cons.

Compassionate conservatism. Fabians disguised as conservatism.

Giant social spending and bailouts for failed financial institutions. Along with giant government planned, housing bills(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015.html) designed to create homeowners. When, it's not the job of the Gov’t to create ‘homeowners’.

Thats a Neocon? Because calling them ‘conservative’ destroys the meaning of conservatism.

26 posted on 07/28/2008 1:08:34 PM PDT by BGHater (It is easy to be brave from a distance.)
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L Ron Paul connections with supporters and groups which includes 9/11 an inside job, to Marxist Cindy Sheehan anti war crowd to Holocause deniers.

Ron Paul’s committee paid 9-11 conspiracy nut and talk-show host Alex Jones $1300.

Jones claims the payment is a partial refund after he over paid August 27 when giving Paul a $2300 contribution. Aaron Dykes of Alex Jones’ company Magnolia Management and Alex Jones’ Infowars website gave Ron Paul $1600.

Jones has been pumping Paul’s campaign on his nationally syndicated radio show for months. Alex Jones got Paul’s first radio interview January 17 after announcing his Presidential campaign.

http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/170107paul.mp3. In a lengthy October 5 interview — apparently Paul’s fourth with Jones — Paul thanks Jones for his support saying: “You and the others have always said run, run, run.”

Alex Jones’ websites are piled with Ron Paul articles and campaign paraphernalia for sale.


27 posted on 07/28/2008 1:15:58 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: americanophile
Well, we could frankly use some anti-federalist views these days.

No, we couldn't. What we could use is a more principled and thoroughgoing federalism of the kind advocated by Washington, Hamilton and Madison.

Paul opposes, at least in principle, the subsidies that benefit his own district. I don’t know whether he has ever tried to specifically eliminate those subsidies, but that doesn’t negate the truth of his assertions...

No, it negates the seriousness with which Ron Paul is supposedly to be taken.

Jefferson’s Louisiana Purchase wasn’t exactly anti-federalist, yet he remains that philosophy’s greatest proponent.

Jefferson was not an anti-Federalist, but he was adopted by the Anti-Federalists as the best alternative to Hamilton's policies. When actually elected he governed as a pure Madisonian Federalist, much to the chagrin of his more radical supporters.

In any event, we’re a long way from anarchism for goodness sake.

Doesn't mean that Spoonerite anarchism is a great idea. Wanting to destroy the Constitution to make way for no government instead of more government has the same net effect of undermining the Constitution. Spooner was an intellectual bankrupt, beneath contempt.

28 posted on 07/28/2008 1:23:39 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: BGHater

Neoconservatives have never had an economic program of which I’m aware. And I are one!


29 posted on 07/28/2008 1:35:31 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: BGHater

I agree. I never get angry at what liberals do. They just can’t help it . It’s their nature, just like the frog (or turtle) and the scorpian (or spider). I get furious at Republicans, because they should know better.


30 posted on 07/28/2008 1:42:18 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: wastedyears
Just whose side is this guy on?

Paul is on the side of true conservatives. If not for my support of the US military I would have supported Paul in the GOP primary. The difference between Paul and myself is that I will NEVER say or do anything against our military when we are at war.

I would rather have been energy independent from the get go and not be entangled in the middle east in any way. The Israel question is an entirely different matter that I won't get into here, but Ron Paul is right on the money in many ways. I think we could have done things differently and avoided the entire middle east quagmire. That said, we are there and we need to prevail. Ron Paul is a bright guy and I agree with many of his positions. He was hijacked by a bunch of spoiled college students but I think in the long run it will be a good thing. A lot of the lefty twenty-somethings I know are now far more fiscally conservative for having been a part of the Ron Paul movement. The joined up to protest the war but they ended up learning something about freedom.

31 posted on 07/28/2008 2:30:31 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: truth_seeker
I’ll wager Paul’s supporters had above average IQs, so they may understand this stuff.

My adult children's friends who supported Paul are of well above average intelligence, educated and would have been typical commie college kids had they not stumbled across Paul in their eager journey to the anti-war/hate Bush demonstrations.

32 posted on 07/28/2008 2:36:18 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: BGHater
I agree with Ron Paul on cutting taxes for everyone not just the rich but they do create most of the jobs in this country. Ron Paul needs to stop supporting nazis and pot heads if he wants to make it to the white house.
33 posted on 07/28/2008 4:59:56 PM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: Come in and get taxed)
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To: BGHater

34 posted on 07/28/2008 5:02:55 PM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: Come in and get taxed)
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To: BGHater

Ron Paul ought to know.

Ron Paul is a neocon and an arse.


35 posted on 07/28/2008 6:54:43 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Shermy

Ron Paul drinking the left wing koolaid.

When will this idiot go away?

He’s your typical stinking LIBERALtarian acting pious with no MORALS on the social front.


36 posted on 07/28/2008 6:56:03 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
"He’s your typical stinking LIBERALtarian acting pious with no MORALS on the social front."

Ok, that was way over the top! U Fascist Neo-Con Pig!

Do yourself a favor & look up Fascism & Neo-Cons... & read the F'in Constitution! GOOD Men died protecting those "LIBERALtarian" Freedoms & will probably do so again!

37 posted on 07/28/2008 7:18:56 PM PDT by babbabooey
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To: wideawake
I guess we'll just have to disagree then...and if Jefferson wasn't an anti-federalist no one was. Indeed, he opposed the Constitution's adoption.
38 posted on 07/28/2008 10:11:08 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile
I guess we'll just have to disagree then...

This isn't a matter of taste. It's a matter of historical facts.

if Jefferson wasn't an anti-federalist no one was. Indeed, he opposed the Constitution's adoption

(1) Jefferson was anti-Administration, not anti-Federalist. The political party he formed in opposition to Washington and Hamilton's policies was formed in partnership with James Madison - one of the original Federalists.

After the Constitution was ratified, the Anti-Federalists effectively ceased to exist because they were completely defeated when the Constitution was ratified. The remnants of the Anti-Federalists backed Burr, whom Jefferson distrusted, but Jefferson needed their votes to defeat the Administration in the 1800 election - the Anti-Federalists tried to hijack the House vote to defeat jefferson and put Burr in. Once elected Jefferson had nothing to do with Vice President Burr and dropped him from the ticket in 1804 when it was clear that he no longer needed the old Anti-Federalists vote.

(2) Jefferson did not oppose the Constitution's adoption at all. That is a complete myth.

39 posted on 07/29/2008 6:16:17 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wastedyears

Neo-cons are hardly conservative.


40 posted on 07/29/2008 1:04:24 PM PDT by djsherin
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