“Obviously you are a christian.”
—Yes, I am.
“In short then you’re saying, “God makes babies and God does not make mistakes. Therefore claiming to be a woman makes God a liar and for him to change would be a sin against God.”
—No, please don’t put words in my mouth. I do agree God doesn’t make mistakes, but a man claiming to be a woman makes the man a “liar”. A man cannot change into a woman, and thinking he can is a delusion.
“Explain all the birth defects that exit in the world. Including chromosonal mistakes that exist in determining what anatomical gender a person is?”
—This is an imperfect, fallen world. As I said before, there are the few chromosomal anomalies—like the ones described in post 32—but most transsexuals don’t suffer that type of physical deviation.
“Yes, God is responsible for the soul of a person, which is the seat of their personality. The soul is where the intellect, likes, dislikes, &etc come from.”
—God gave us a soul. He gave us responsibility for it on Earth through free will.
“You mean to tell me that with all the defects that occur in a fallen world including chromosonal defects, that it is not possible for the soul of a person, that is essentially feminine in nature, to occur in a foetus that develops as a male? Bullshit!”
—No need to cuss at me, please don’t. I agree there are people that are truly suffering a chromosomal anomaly, but they represent the rare case and are outside of what I’m talking about here. For the most part, I think that recent campaigns to link sin (addiction, homosexuality, gender confusion, etc.) to genetic causes are attempts to rationalize, normalize and excuse destructive behavior. Alot of deviant behavior today is chosen behavior, not a result of genetic anomalies.
“Transsexual don’t decide as a passing thought, “Wouldn’t be fun to be a woman?”
—I never thought that.
“They struggle all their lives with the fact that they are essentially different than the other people that anatomically look like them. People with dicks.”
—I can imagine it would be a struggle.
They’re not good at sports, they don’t fit in with crowds of men. They have no innate interest in the things that men do, I could go on almost endlessly. However, put them in a room full of women and they fit right in. They excel. Why? Because they are amongst their own.”
—They choose that. But the truth is they aren’t women.
“Are they pussies or wimps — YES!, but only because they’ve got a swinging dick.”
—It’s wrong to call them names.
“Who they are on the inside is not who they are on the outside. Anatomical women are not pussies and wimps. Why? Because their bodies are inline with who their soul is on the inside.
Transsexuals spend years trying to hide, run from, and suppress the fact that they are not like all the other guys. They try harder. They compete harder, they join the military, they get tattoos, they fight. Not because they like those things, but because they are trying to convince themselves and others that they are just the same, when deep inside they know they are not.”
—They need help.
“And after years of failing to fit in many turn to suicide. The braver ones, that openly express who they are inwardly, are often killed by those that are freaked out by them. Would you kill an 9-legged baby — one of God’s mistakes or would you fix her through science and medicine?”
—Yes, they need help.
“Shit happens it’s a fallen world people are born all the time with defects. It’s not mental. Drugs, counseling, repentance, and hanging out with the guys more often does not fix it. I should know. I’m 44 years old. I still got my swinging dick and my tattoos, but inwardly I’m not like the rest of you. I’ve understood since I was 3 years old.
I’m a christian too. A very conservative one too, but I can’t change the fact of who I am. Repentance didn’t fix me.”
—Repentance is admitting you are a sinner (like me, like everyone). Did you ask Jesus Christ to save you? This is the most important question. Are you truly one in His body?
“I would still rather be in the kitchen with the women.
Its where I fit in. Trying living in two worlds for 44 years sometime. Its not easy.”
—That is your personal challenge in this world. For the most part, everyone has their personal demons to deal with. We have the proverbial “thorn in the side” in some form or another. Please don’t give up the fight and succumb.
“Anyhow I’m out. Call me a pussy to my face and I’ll kick your a$$.”
—I appreciate your honesty and being up front. But I’m not going to call you any name or think badly of you, so you don’t need to threaten me.
“Give me shit in this forum or any other forum and I will hunt you down in your little world and beat you.”
—Ditto. I’m not going to give you a hard time, and ask you not to give me one. I would much rather continue the good discussion we’ve been having.
You still think that chromosome determine the innate (not carnate) nature of a person's soul even though you repeatedly admit that it is God that puts the soul of a person into that person.
All that DNA and chromosomes can do is determine who you are anatomically. It has no bearing on who you are as a person. Consider all the things that YOU ViLaLuz like and dislike. Consider all the innate (not carnate) characteristics of who you are. Personality, etc. You mean to tell me that your chromosomes determined who you are? The very unique ViLaLuz is no more different than the next person, because you have the same chromosonal makeup as the next person?
If you are determined by your chromosomes and by extension your DNA, then who you are as a person could be flawed and could need fixing -- no?
Who are you? Consider how unique you are -- and you say that you're nothing more than an XY chromosome. Those two characteristics determined that you love pizza and hate sushi. That you are good at mechanics but suck at sewing. That when you are standing in the kitchen with your wife and her friends you feel like an alien, an outsider, but in the company of other men you're at home.
Again I ask, who are you? Are you nothing more than conditioned responses to the world you live in because you were born with a penis? Are you fluid and changeable to your surroundings? Your chromosomes don't determine who you are in your soul. God does and yet it is still a fallen world. You may have been born with a penis because you were born with an XY chomosome, but are you who you really are because of the anatomical thing between your legs.
Anyhow, I hope you see my point.
It is a fallen world and people are born with defects all the time. We fix them when we can.
Trust me its not mental. Hanging out with the guys more often doesn't fix it. In fact it worsens the problem. It exacerbates it. It provides a sharp contrast between who guys innately are and who a trannsexual is. They are forced to pretend that they are one of the guys.
Part of my crankiness in this morning's response was that I was up late providing security for a Rock Concert. Afterwards I had to stand around with the guys and drink beers and smoke cigars as we BSed about cars, jobs, wives etc -- all the things that guys innately do, and all the while I'm reminded that "I don't fit in."
And I haven't fit in since I first understood at age 3.
It doesn't go away. You cant repent it away.
What if at some point someone convinced you that who you are (ViLaLuz) was a sin and needed to be repented of. Could you do it. Would God accept your repentance? Would he make you someone else.
Who one is, is not a mental choice, "Oh I wish I were a woman."
One realizes "I'm different. I don't fit in with the guys. I get along with women better." etc. Anyhow, I'm done.
YOu can pray for me all you want. I will likewise pray for you, and for the church, that you might understand the issue more accurately and judge with righteous judgment.