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To: AppyPappy

“Why didn’t the wives he left behind file domestic abuse or child abuse charges against him, back when this happened?”

Repeat: Maybe it was because they were afraid of him. He admitted he spanked the kids and he admitted that some of these accusations have some truth to them.

But I just can’t get mad at you, AppyPappy, because I respect you so much, even though you are agreeing with Harry Reid on this subject which is wildly contradictory and ironic.

I don’t believe the women who wrote books, either, but even if it is true what they say - what happened to them - it does not mean that every FLDS man, woman and child should be rounded up, emotionally tortured, and destroyed.


18 posted on 08/01/2008 6:41:56 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Yep the sooner they get those children out from under the control of the abusers [both male and female] the better off they will be. The girls won’t be forced into relationships with their elder men and the lads won’t be froced out to the cruel world.


20 posted on 08/01/2008 7:02:36 PM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: Saundra Duffy

They made their bed. Let them lie in it. They entered into a polygamous relationship. They did it to themselves.


22 posted on 08/01/2008 7:15:25 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

“it does not mean that every FLDS man, woman and child should be rounded up, emotionally tortured, and destroyed.”

Which is the ‘why’ of this whole thing. These people were rounded up by Warren, and emotionally tortured, even though they thought it was the ‘word of God’, and young girls are destroyed by being forced into sex, when THEY aren’t ready.
Elissa Wall said it. She didn’t know that men and women did anything else in bed, except sleep.

Isn’t that a bit creepy? To play that game with a little girl? Her not knowing what sex is, and you an adult?


You’re statement translates to: even if the women and children, and men, were treated like slaves by Warren and his posse, that the CPS had no right to investigate, and do what it takes to identify the children, and take them out of a dangerous environment until the legal end of things are complete.

I don’t think the CPS had much choice, but to act. And to act on what they saw. And act on information from reputable sources.

The Sheriff has made statements confirming the information we have talked about in these threads.

The children were taken, identified, and the best care possible was taken of them, considering the circumstances.

You can ‘see’ this situation from the view of a 12 year old child of the FLDS, but at some point, it is valuable to look at it from the view of an adult, who knows what is legal, what is not, and knows that while it was hard on the women, and children, (and men), it was necessary, and it is done.

Evidence is slowly being released and we see that the claims are very likely true.

There can be civil lawsuits by the FLDS against whatever authority they choose to target, for whatever ‘right’ they think was violated, or law not followed.

No one is against that. That IS their right.

The situation with the children, and the newly starting Criminal case, are two different things.

IIRC, you said you were all for prosecuting any of the men who were indicted.

How could these indictments have come about, if CPS had not gone in to investigate the complaints?

Remember, there were already complaints, but the FLDS wouldn’t cooperate with the CPS, in four years.

Why?
I understand your concern for the women and children, and commend you for sticking to it. (again)

But, aren’t you ignoring the bigger picture?


23 posted on 08/01/2008 7:25:30 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Saundra Duffy

Sandra, most of us here don’t make decisions on what we think is right or wrong based on what any politician thinks. If old Harry agrees with me on something, then it’s because occasionally maybe he’s right. Are you suggesting that we base our opinions on someone else thinks? If Harry Reid is pro-life do I then need to become pro-abortion? Surely you don’t mean that (but it sounds like you do).
susie


57 posted on 08/02/2008 8:54:49 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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