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1 posted on 08/04/2008 2:57:49 AM PDT by Man50D
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“I think it’s absolutely ludicrous, and there’s no need for it,” Gross said. “I don’t think you can make the argument that if you had a gun on campus you could have stopped the Virginia Tech (rampage). I think it would make it worse.

She may mean well but back in the day, someone who argued a line of "reasoning" like this would be called a fool. I think it's the responsibility of everyone around her to ridicule her for openly stating such a demonstrably false idea as if it had some basis in fact.

2 posted on 08/04/2008 3:06:23 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE - http://freenj.blogspot.com - RadioFree NJ)
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Allison Gross, an intern with the Brady Campaign, told CNSNews.com that she was against students having guns on campus.

“I think it’s absolutely ludicrous, and there’s no need for it,” Gross said. “I don’t think you can make the argument that if you had a gun on campus you could have stopped the Virginia Tech (rampage). I think it would make it worse.

“If anyone brought a gun to class, I’d be scared out of my mind, regardless if they are trying to stop someone who is shooting someone or not,” she said.

And I think that you are a moonbat, Allison...

3 posted on 08/04/2008 3:11:32 AM PDT by LRS (NO DRILLING; NO PEACE!)
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“When I look back on my college days, maybe it was a different era in the late ‘60s, but most of my fraternity brothers didn’t have criminal records – not yet, most of them, even those who were in ROTC and hunters – (but) the behaviors they exhibited weren’t the kind of behaviors that gave me confidence that packing guns in their lockers or in their rooms would make me safer,” Helmke said.

However, I notice this dillweed from the late 60’s still SURVIVED his college experience!


7 posted on 08/04/2008 4:17:48 AM PDT by GWMcClintock (The last thing the US needs is B.O.!)
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Let's give these kids credit, they allowed a person from the opposing to make her statements without harassment or censoring.

Any bets on whether the gun grabbers would allow the same?

8 posted on 08/04/2008 4:26:17 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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“If anyone brought a gun to class, I’d be scared out of my mind, regardless if they are trying to stop someone who is shooting someone or not,” she said.

Why would she be scared if someone was trying to stop someone who is shooting at her? must be blond.


9 posted on 08/04/2008 4:32:11 AM PDT by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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While it possible Paul Helmke doesn’t know the literature well enough to have read Dr. Lott’s work, I doubt it.

So, either Helmke has no one at his mental ‘helm’ or he is deliberately lying because he is hired to argue a position.

Hmmmn, could he be a lawyer?


11 posted on 08/04/2008 4:37:50 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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I am always amazed at the foolish notions the antis base their position on.

Most states laws would require the college student to be at least 21 (23 in MO), demonstrate proficiency in shooting, legal knowledge, lethal force and concealed carry, so all of the fears these hoplophobes emit is really a smoke-screen.

Also, as a CCW isntructor myself, I have told several young (and a few not so young) folks that they did not demonstrate the maturity I expect a CCW licensee to possess and promptly refunded their fees and professionally declined to certify them for the sheriff... Those toting CCWs on campuses will likely be veterans returning to school, professionals taking upper level courses, older students in general, yes, even some instructors/professors; not the fool-hardy “sophomoric” 17-19 year olds running rampant for the first time away from home.

Get real folks!

God Bless & Molon Labe

14 posted on 08/04/2008 6:33:37 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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I keep seeing the gun control crowd put up “what if’s” about it being too dangerous to allow guns on campus. Why aren’t the proponents countering with the “so there” that Utah hasn’t experienced a single gun incident on their campuses?

I read recently that Utah passed a law about 3 years ago requiring campuses to allow concealed carry by permit holders. Real life trumps maybe every time.


16 posted on 08/04/2008 6:48:55 AM PDT by pyrless (I carry a gun, 'cause a cop is too heavy)
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"...said studies show that college students are more likely to engage in risky behavior than the general population."

Here's the pro-Gun Control argument: "You're irresponsible".

One problem with this argument is that it proves too much. If college students are irresponsible, why should they be allowed to have credit cards, drive cars, make contracts, decide their own majors, use power equipment, own knives, axes or baseball bats, or make any other important decisions?

Some how, I don't think this argument is going to go over well with college students. Oh, we have kids the age of college students fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, driving tanks and using other dangerous equipment. This reminds me of the idiocy of the algore campaign in Florida, their argument was "our voters are too stupid to know how to vote". Didn't work out there either.

17 posted on 08/04/2008 7:28:44 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (We're screwed '09 -'12)
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