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To: rednesss
I have no sympathy for what Ramos and Campeon did. A suspect was shot without justification, he was clubbed with a shotgun butt (where do you find that tactic in any police training manual?), and they tried to obstruct justice.

That said, the chief witness against them violated his immunity agreement, hence, the charges against Ramos and Campeon should have been dismissed, but most definately they should have lost their jobs.
8 posted on 08/04/2008 10:41:20 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: attiladhun2
he was clubbed with a shotgun butt

Whew! Just makin' it up as you go, I see!

What a bunch of BS!

10 posted on 08/04/2008 10:54:46 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: attiladhun2

I agree with your opinion. And there is malfeasance on the behalf of the prosecutor. Ramos and Campeon should easily win in appeal but I suspect they will be pardoned this fall in any event.


11 posted on 08/04/2008 10:58:21 AM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: attiladhun2

The, Welcome to Aztlan. I hardly no where to start so I will address the “shot without justification” aspect of your post.

What we know is that a weapon was discharged. We know that an alien criminal was fighting with Border Patrol Officers and fled. We know officers discharged their weapons but didn’t believe they hit their target. I suppose it may have been the whole “suspect running to a car” that lead them to believe they had not hit him.

All we know is that this criminal alien might have been shot. A big time drug runner that so loved running drugs that he could not suspend the activity even during the period of his immunity to testify. There were no ballistics provided and I find it very hard to believe a surgeon would not have saved the bullet for ballistics testing. It is also not beyond belief that a drug runner was shot in Mexico by a rival or for a variety of other reasons.

There are murderers who are not serving ten years and will be out of prison in less time. The officer fired at him because they thought he had a weapon. There is no way to prove they didn’t think he had one. Since he escaped into Mexico there is absolutely no proof that he didn’t have a firearm or that he was shot by these officers. This was a miscarriage of justice. Of this there can be no doubt. This was a snow job from the word, “go”.


16 posted on 08/04/2008 11:18:41 AM PDT by WildcatClan (Duncan Hunter isn't opaque.)
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To: attiladhun2

“I have no sympathy for what Ramos and Campeon did. A suspect was shot without justification, he was clubbed with a shotgun butt (where do you find that tactic in any police training manual?), and they tried to obstruct justice.”

Interesting that you say that. Border Patrol’s job is to prevent an invasion from another country, not police.

The agents were trained to prevent an invasion from another country, which is an act of war, not simply police the area. Why should it be OK for another country to invade us, but not OK for us to prevent it?

Too many today seem to think that policing and securing our nation are equal. They are not equal. They are 2 very different jobs for 2 very different reasons and involve 2 very different types of tactics. This is not a police action, this is a national defense action. This should have been thrown out of court as soon as the evidence showed that the whole situation started with sensors going off on the border and no other explanation for that was brought to court.


63 posted on 08/04/2008 8:43:36 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: attiladhun2

Where did you get that bit of nonsense? Must be brainwashed by LULAC, Aztlan, MEChA, La Raza, et. al.


98 posted on 08/05/2008 11:35:42 PM PDT by Linden1209
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