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Secret deal kept British Army out of battle for Basra
timesonline ^ | August 5, 2008

Posted on 08/04/2008 4:01:58 PM PDT by flyfree

A secret deal between Britain and the notorious al-Mahdi militia prevented British Forces from coming to the aid of their US and Iraqi allies for nearly a week during the battle for Basra this year, The Times has learnt.

Four thousand British troops – including elements of the SAS and an entire mechanised brigade – watched from the sidelines for six days because of an “accommodation” with the Iranian-backed group, according to American and Iraqi officers who took part in the assault.

US Marines and soldiers had to be rushed in to fill the void, fighting bitter street battles and facing mortar fire, rockets and roadside bombs with their Iraqi counterparts.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: basra; iraq; marines; oif; sadr; uktroops
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1 posted on 08/04/2008 4:03:06 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: flyfree

Shame, shame, shame!


2 posted on 08/04/2008 4:06:06 PM PDT by spyone
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To: flyfree
....................!!!
3 posted on 08/04/2008 4:06:51 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: flyfree

We won’t hurt you, so you won’t hurt us, right?


4 posted on 08/04/2008 4:07:57 PM PDT by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: flyfree

WOW!


5 posted on 08/04/2008 4:08:00 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: spyone

So nothing to do with letting the Iraqi forces take responsibility? This is their country - let them take control of local situations.


6 posted on 08/04/2008 4:08:38 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: flyfree

Neville Chamberlain is evidently alive and well.


7 posted on 08/04/2008 4:11:06 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tommyjo

Did you even read the article?
“US Marines and soldiers had to be rushed in to fill the void”....
Our wimpy allies backstabbed us, for their own political purposes and you think this is AOK...oh, brother.


8 posted on 08/04/2008 4:12:17 PM PDT by spyone
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To: flyfree
No one should be surprised at this.

As much as I respect the British as soldiers-- their political leaders and high command are paltroons. They have done a deal with the devil to keep the looney British Left placated--and disgraced their honor.

This is the kind of crap the the Lord Messiah Obama will do for us...

9 posted on 08/04/2008 4:12:25 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: flyfree
I seem to recall that Brit forces came in a bit cocky from years doing counter-terror in N. Ireland. Collaboration and “deals” with locals may have been part of that. Of course, that was chatter from the MSM, so I have no idea if that is a fair characterization.

In any case, the lesson to the U.S. is; “don't rely on ‘allies’”.

For Iraqis’ it is; “you can depend on the US when strong leaders are at the helm.”

10 posted on 08/04/2008 4:12:51 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: flyfree
A senior British defence source....“You can accuse the Americans of many things, such as hamfistedness, but you can’t accuse them of not addressing a situation when it arises. While we had a strategy of evasion, the Americans just went in and addressed the problem.”
11 posted on 08/04/2008 4:13:12 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Spktyr
"Neville Chamberlain is evidently alive and well."

My first thought too. Euroweenies indeed.

12 posted on 08/04/2008 4:13:41 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president! (it ain't over 'til it's over))
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To: Tommyjo

Go sit on the bench with the British cowards.


13 posted on 08/04/2008 4:14:11 PM PDT by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: spyone

Exactly. If people are not up to the task at hand, then they should GFO and let the men handle it.


14 posted on 08/04/2008 4:14:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: rawhide

That one stood out, but so did the ‘holiday’.

‘The British were partly handicapped because their commander, Major-General Barney White-Spunner, was away on a skiing holiday when the attack began. When Brigadier Julian Free, his deputy, arrived to discuss the situation with Mr Maliki at the presidential palace in Basra, he was made to wait outside.


15 posted on 08/04/2008 4:14:57 PM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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To: flyfree
The Iraqi Army no longer trusts the British:

He said: “Without the support of the Americans we would not have accomplished the mission because the British Forces had done nothing there. I do not trust the British Forces. They did not want to lose any soldiers for the mission.”

I can't say I blame them.

16 posted on 08/04/2008 4:15:59 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: flyfree

I have very high regard for the British soldiers, but this and the Iranian hostage fiasco have done great damage to their reputation.


17 posted on 08/04/2008 4:21:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: flyfree

Blame Gordon Brown, and Des Browne.

Defense is so important to Gordon Brown that he made Des Browne both Secretary of State* for Defence AND Secretary of State for Scotland. In other words, the UK currently has a part time defense minister!

Reason # 4265 that Labour is going to get thrashed in the next election.

*Most cabinet ministers in the UK are styled Secretary of State for “x”. A few have other titles.


18 posted on 08/04/2008 4:25:02 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (No Surrender, No Retreat!!! Only one candidate will win the war, and it's not Barack Obama!)
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To: Tommyjo
"US Marines and soldiers had to be rushed in to fill the void, fighting bitter street battles and facing mortar fire, rockets and roadside bombs with their Iraqi counterparts."

So nothing to do with letting the Iraqi forces take responsibility? This is their country - let them take control of local situations.

Since when did the United States Marine Corps become the Iraqi Marine Corps?

The Brits could have aided their American allies but they did NOT because they had cut a protection deal with the enemy.

We are not in Iraq just to establish "Democracy". We have vital national interests there.

Iraq sits right smack in the middle of the Persian Gulf geographic region that contain 70% of the World's known oil reserves. It is in our vital strategic interests not to allow Iraq to fall under the control of Iranian-backed religious fanatics.

Sitting on your arse and allowing the Iraq War to be won or lost based on the performance of the Iraqi Army is as idiotic as allowing D-Day to be won or lost based on the performance of the Free Resistance.

The British, not to mention the rest of Europe, also have a vital strategic interest in not allowing 70% of the World's known oil reserves to fall under the military control of Islamist fanatics.

However, it is much easier to allow their American "friends" to protect their vital interests for them with a minimum of British blood.

"Britain has no permanent friends, she only has permanent interests." ...... Former British Prime Minister Lord Palmerston

19 posted on 08/04/2008 4:27:27 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

Being in both Iraq and Afghanistan keeps Achmed in a dinner jacket and the mullahs nervous.


20 posted on 08/04/2008 4:31:07 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president! (it ain't over 'til it's over))
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