Also note the .4 degree trend from 1940-1980. The first half of the 1940s every factory on the face of the planet was running full bore what with the war and all.
Posted on 08/07/2008 6:16:01 AM PDT by RogerFGay
Moby Oil!
Do you have a link to disputing that Mars is warming? Rush didn't invent that he just reported it.
See the link in my profile, I may have a better explanation there.
Sorry, 0.1% variation in the sun, not 1%, and essentially none over the time interval that Martian ice cap melted.
LOL! Perfect! I should add "Moby Oil Co." to the image somewhere.
I’m also certain that Rush didn’t make up the Mars thing. That’s a wild accusation in my book. I also see the analysis in post #24 as one-sided. If I have the context right - it’s implied that the IPCC models are detailed and accurate? Nothing could be farther from the truth. They aren’t based on scientific theory. They’re computer programs that show a strong link between CO2 and warming because that’s what they’re programmed to do. That ain’t science. That’s computer gaming.
Thanks for the reply. I’ll check it out.
I have to give credit to Futurama for that one.
Even with a linear increase in CO2 warming (it's log, not linear) and a linear increase in water vapor feedback (Sahara desert: maybe, tropical ocean: forget about it), that's 0.17 degrees per decade times 9 decades.
And what is the trend from 1934 to 1970?
Oops!, I missed that part about you wasting your time here anymore; an opus in the making?
I'm certain also. Plus, I became suspicious when the deniers of solar warming said that Mars had become warmer because of dust in its atmosphere. My first reaction was "Well, then what caused the dust to get in the atmoshpere?" . The only thing could be winds which are caused be a differential in temperatures which means that Mars was getting warmer. They had a chicken causes egg which causes chickens idea going....
I becames skeptical of global warming right off the bat. After years of being ridiculed for not having an estimate of how much carbon dioxide is put into the air naturally and how much is taken out naturally , the global warming advocates came out with figures for both and they were exactly equal.
Futurama is great!
I went ahead and changed the image. Go check it out. You may have to refresh the page to see the change.
“He also hastened to put the kibosh on recent assertions that “global warming stopped in 1998.” While global average temperatures have been essentially flat since 1998, Michaels argued that natural variations in the climate mask any increases due to greenhouse gases. In particular, cooler waters in the Pacific (”La Nina”) and lower solar activity have conspired to drop average global temperatures. When these trends reverse, average global temperatures will rapidly rise to reveal the established long term man-made warming trend of +0.17 degrees centigrade per decade. Michaels warned against succumbing to the temptation to cite current flattened global temperatures as evidence against man-made global warming.”
What we have here is a statement of faith; we start wih a time frame of 30 years, 1/3 of which are at odds with the first 2/3.
Then we have the statement that these natural cooling forces are strong enough to override the warming trend the theory depends on even while the trigger, CO2, increases unabated.
What he pleads is that we not lose our resolve to fix what we are not capable of now measuring until the sun heats back up and the ocean currents stabilize.
He never made any such plea during the previous high output solar years and frequent strong El Ninos because he said they were too small to have such a strong global influence.
All we have here is a demand that we trust the modelers and put our future in their hands; a small request to make in these halcyon times.
I'm no scientist, even though I majored in Poly-Sci.
My skepticism began simply as a result of having to write college papers on public policy issues like the environment. From global cooling, to global warming, to peak oil, to the ozone layer, to you name the crisis... many of the same people and groups were driving all of these disjointed and incoherent theories, and changing or adjusting their positions almost daily.
As someone who, at that time, was still planning on being a career Army Officer, I also was an avid student of Communism and its evils.
The one thing all the environmental theories had in common was a hatred of capitalism and America. These groups never attacked communist or socialist countries where real environmental disasters were occurring almost daily. They only went after Americans and American companies. Many of these groups, I came to find out, were funded through front organizations by the Soviets before their collapse.
Anyone remember Gorbachev? Once they kicked his sorry ass out of Russia he went on to form and run Green Cross, an international environmentalist group. Parts of Russia still glow in the dark from nuclear testing and other parts require the wearing of bio suits to transit safely. Gorby never has and never will say anything about the ecological wastelands of Russia, but let a fairy shrimp die in a rain puddle on some California farmers back 40, and he and his fellow travelers are all over it.
Look at Kyoto. It was not about saving the environment. It was about punishing America. If the rest of the world was concerned about the environment, they'd all adopt the environmental regulation we have already imposed on ourselves.
The Sun causes Global Warming and Environmental Change. Period.
Also note the .4 degree trend from 1940-1980. The first half of the 1940s every factory on the face of the planet was running full bore what with the war and all.
Find me a single contemporay report for that assertion anywhere in world literature and I will help you champion it.
Unfortunately, our services were only able to concretely document that directly in a minority of cases. While it's a damn safe assumption, there was often nothing one could "take to the bank." Them Commies didn't raise no fools in the Accounting Department. Nixon's boys went nuts trying to establish a link between Soviet Money and Anti-War Activities. It was there, but they couldn't nail it down.
Best case in point IMO, Armand Hammer lavishly funding the Gore Family for 4 decades! Senator Al Gore Sr. is the first millionaire in the family. Not Senator Al, Jr.!
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