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Erin Brockovich: Gardasil (the case against Merck's HPV vaccine)
The Brockovich Report ^ | August 6, 2008 | Erin Brockovich

Posted on 08/07/2008 7:13:47 AM PDT by weegee

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To: af_vet_rr
Good article. Governor Perry managed to piss off a lot of Republicans and Conservatives in Texas when he tried to shove it down Texans’ throats, even after his ties to the company were already publicized.

If I ever have a daughter, I will get her vaccinated with Gardasil.

That being said, there isn't any reason to require that schoolkids receive this vaccine. I would limit required vaccines to diseases that are spread easily, such as measles and polio. HPV is, generally, transmitted through sexual contact, so it doesn't fall in the same category.

101 posted on 08/07/2008 10:34:42 AM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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To: Pharmboy

Thank you. I’d hit that.


102 posted on 08/07/2008 10:44:31 AM PDT by jmc813 (Welcome to New York, Brett!)
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To: untrained skeptic
The author claims to want parents to be able to make their own decision about the drug rather than having it mandated, but doesn't appear to want parents to make an informed decision on their own.

Surely that's a lot less offensive than what the Texas government is doing, no?

103 posted on 08/07/2008 10:46:08 AM PDT by jmc813 (Welcome to New York, Brett!)
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To: DoughtyOne
To me it’s the thought or premise being presented that is the important thing.

When you are producing correspondence for a law firm that is trying to drum up business, it is important that the work have a professional quality that will inspire confidence in the prospective client. If you repeatedly misspell the name of the company you are proposing to sue, it makes you look unprepared.

104 posted on 08/07/2008 10:51:28 AM PDT by gridlock (Barack Obama is the Sanjaya Malakar of American Politics...)
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To: gridlock

Thank you for your response. We’re in agreement on court papers. I would even agree with you that it is best to make sure you have proper spelling down when you post things on your own sight. I am not convinced it undermines your premise to have a misspelled word or two there.

If the article was riddled with them, you and I would be in full agreement.

Take care GridLock.


105 posted on 08/07/2008 10:56:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: weegee

Erin is just lawyer scum trolling for cash.


106 posted on 08/07/2008 11:01:59 AM PDT by packrat35 (If mccain is the answer-it must have been a REALLY stupid question)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
If you took the experimental Polio vaccine in the 1950s or 1960s, there is a strong chance you were exposed to a cancer-causing monkey virus, spread from the monkey kidneys used to grow the vaccine. Know anyone with MS or a weird cancer in their 40s or 50s? Yeah, look around...

I personally know two people in their 40's with MS and four people with brain cancer. One of them has already passed. I know one woman with breast cancer, but have THREE friends with brain cancer. It is unbelievably sad.

107 posted on 08/07/2008 11:11:36 AM PDT by Shelayne (Tagline on recess--just like Congress.)
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To: jmc813
Surely that's a lot less offensive than what the Texas government is doing, no?

On one side I have the government overstepping it's authority to force immunization of a disease that isn't easily spread among those it seems to want to immunize. They might be doing so out of good intentions, or out of corrupt greed.

On the other hand, we have the author of this article that seems to think that the best way to combat that is to lie to people to gain their support.

At stake is the long term health of our daughters, which I personally consider to be very high stakes, even if the odds of cervical cancer or of a serious adverse reaction to the vaccine are low.

You would have me be stuck between two liberals that think they know what's best for me and at least one if not both feel quite comfortable in misleading me in order to gain my support.

Both are utterly contemptible.

Are you by your question suggesting that the need to combat the efforts of Merek justifies misleading people about the vaccine?

108 posted on 08/07/2008 11:19:57 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: dangus

Every tv ad I have seen for Gardisil calls it a “cancer vaccine”.

My children are sick of me walking through the room during the commercials and yelling “It is NOT a cancer vaccine!!”

:p


109 posted on 08/07/2008 11:21:26 AM PDT by Politicalmom (I've left the Grand Ol' Plantation. / GOP '08,- NO Soup for YOU!)
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To: DoughtyOne

My posts on FR have grown to have more syntactical errors. Not just typos, but sometimes I’m now typing things like “one one” when I meant “only one”.

Some of it is multitasking (I’m actively engaged in several tasks or say passively listening to radio, etc. and momentarily distracted).

I’m mildly embarassed by it. I’m less likely to make that sort of an error verbally.


110 posted on 08/07/2008 11:21:37 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: Citizen Blade

If the boys got the HPV vaccine, they wouldn’t be spreading it to the girls (regardless if the girls got vaccinated).


111 posted on 08/07/2008 11:22:52 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: metmom

Gardasil Ping!!


112 posted on 08/07/2008 11:22:58 AM PDT by Politicalmom (I've left the Grand Ol' Plantation. / GOP '08,- NO Soup for YOU!)
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To: weegee
If the boys got the HPV vaccine, they wouldn’t be spreading it to the girls (regardless if the girls got vaccinated).

Once Gardasil is approved for boys, I would also vaccinate any sons we end up having.

113 posted on 08/07/2008 11:24:37 AM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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To: Citizen Blade

Is it even being tested for boys? The focus has been on preventing HPV to prevent some cervical cancer. Men can get testicular and oral cancers from HPV.


114 posted on 08/07/2008 11:33:25 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: weegee
I agree with that. Hey, me too. My other problem is that as I type I'm sometimes doing a rewrite in my head as I go. So what happens is that sometimes the words don't quite make sense.

I have to go back through and note where I've reworded the post mid sentence or later, and make sure it flows.

If I don't do this, the posts can look horrible. And if I'm in a hurry, I drop or add letters. When I'm typing a word, I may inadvertently add an s, ion, or ed to it, because that may be the more common version.

I don't get too worked up over other people's mistakes along these lines.

I understand how and why they happen.

I do struggle with spelling. It has been a problem for me. My wife is an excellent speller. It seems to be a born talent from my observation. She is much better at names and spelling. I am much better at numbers.

115 posted on 08/07/2008 11:42:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: research99

Lest we forget, there was also the Beverly Hills High School with it’s oil well that Brockovich, et al, were claiming caused all sorts of cancers.
Scammers all.


116 posted on 08/07/2008 11:47:20 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: VRWCmember
Counter-point to the "facts" of the case: the alleged poisoning and the extent to which this company's chemical pollution caused actual harm was based on dubious science.

Hahaha.. Yes, contaminating groundwater with millions upon millions of gallons of Chromium over 40 years and getting caught was nothing more than "dubious science". You need to get your ideological blinders off. They dumped toxic waste into unlined holding ponds for decades, contaminated groundwater, knowingly deceived the people affected by it and tried their damnedest to cover it up.

They knew in 1965 they had contaminated the groundwater table with this stuff and continued to use it and not change a damned thing. When you did finally tell the folks you screwed that you had done it, you simply told them don't drink the water, not that they should avoid all contact, as the EPA has stated.. etc etc etc.

The fact PG&E still exists as a company after what they did in this matter shows as far as I'm concerned that corporate enforcement is far too lax.

You need to stop trying to apply some more high ground to a corporation, they are ammoral entities that have no more morality than a rock. You continue in spite of the facts that "markets are gods", and this is idiotic.

They did what they did, the knew what they did, they lied about what they did, and did their best to make sure no one else found out what they had done. IF you or I had done what this company had done, we'd be rotting in jail, not paying off civil cases.

You need to get off your political blinders and wake up.

I've said it before, I'll say it again..

Governments are not gods, Markets are not gods, anyone who advocated blind faith in either of them are fools.

117 posted on 08/07/2008 12:30:14 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ikka

But if the statistics she gives are accurate, she’s right on this one. It doesn’t sound like she’s got anything to gain personally, as if she’s selling something or making a profit off this.

It’s the *even a stopped clock* problem.


118 posted on 08/07/2008 12:41:22 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: chickpundit

I don’t think a lot of people have a problem with the IDEA behind the vaccine. It’s all the rest of it; the side effects, the mandatory part,.... especially the mandatory part.


119 posted on 08/07/2008 12:47:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: untrained skeptic
9000 adverse reactions, some of them serious, but the article leads you to believe all were serious

::::shrug:::: Maybe YOU were lead to believe all were serious. I didn't make that assumption.

The author just ignores that and presents a subjective opinion that not enough testing was done and that our daughters are being used as guinea pigs.

They are, to some degree. Any new drug/vaccine on the market does that. (If that were not true, then the FDA would never have to recall a drug from the market. . .and we know they have.)

I don't see how you can take a critical look at this article and say that it wasn't written to intentionally mislead people rather than to help them make an informed decision about the drug.

Well, it certainly gave a different view of the vaccine than Merck and certain politicians have tried to present. I would hope you would think that is a good thing.

120 posted on 08/07/2008 1:12:22 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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