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As Program Moves Poor to Suburbs, Tensions Follow
New York Times ^
| August 8, 2008
| Solomon Moore
Posted on 08/09/2008 4:57:40 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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The Atlantic article by Hanna Rosin mentioned in the story was discussed in the thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2034891/posts .
To: reaganaut1
Of course. Thugs, slugs, and other assorted vermin don’t change their behavior just because their locale has changed.
Any self-respecting landlord would reject Section 8 vouchers.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:03:30 AM PDT
by
clee1
(We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
To: reaganaut1
a large, new home, with a pool, for $2,200 a month. WTF????? Have we gone mad?
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:03:46 AM PDT
by
Drango
(A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
To: reaganaut1
A few years ago, in our townhouse community, 5 out of 40 units on our block went 'section 8.' The impact was immediate and noticeable. Our street went from a typical middle class situation to the ghetto within weeks. Instead of quiet streets in the evenings, we had rap music blasting out until the small hours of the morning. Instead of clean sidewalks and streets, we had trash strewn everywhere. Even things as little as assigned parking spaces became an issue. Yes, we called the police, as did everyone, constantly. So that earned us a semi-permanent police presence. Following that came tensions between the 'Section 8' residents and the police.
When the units were emptied, the owners who previously thought they were doing such a grand thing, we greeted with destroyed walls, appliances pulled out and just gone, carpet matted with urine and various other bodily fluids from both man and animal, a conspicuous lack of toilets. (Who steals toilets? Honestly)
This was in the exurbs of DC mind you--far far far from the inner city. Our answer? We moved into a single unit house, taking on a bit more mortgage than we really wanted in exchange for knowing that larger single family houses are much harder to rent out.
To: reaganaut1
If you live in the “hood”, it's difficult to avoid some association with dirtbags and gang bangers. If you move to the “burb” these associations may continue. Then you have the dirtbags and gang bangers introduced into the “burb”. I've seen it happen. Nice people move in. But some of their visitors, not so much.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:06:24 AM PDT
by
isrul
(Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
To: reaganaut1
Law enforcement experts and housing researchers argue that rising crime rates follow Section 8 recipients to their new homes, while other experts discount any direct link. Who are these so called experts? Probably Ivy tower academics who base their research on what they read in "Mother Jones", "The Nation". and the NYT. They live far away from the people/culture they profess "expertise" on.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:13:59 AM PDT
by
rbg81
(DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
To: reaganaut1
Sounds to me like the Big City has just found a way to reduce their crime and problem statistics by forceing them on to someone else.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:17:41 AM PDT
by
SECURE AMERICA
(Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
To: SoftballMominVA
When the units were emptied, the owners who previously thought they were doing such a grand thing, we greeted with destroyed walls, appliances pulled out and just gone, carpet matted with urine and various other bodily fluids from both man and animal, a conspicuous lack of toilets. (Who steals toilets? Honestly)
Yeah, but under the rules for section 8 housing the GOVERNMENT pays for any damage to the property by the tenants. So for the landlord it's a no lose proposition. Guaranteed rent, and a government rehab when the POS move out.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:17:46 AM PDT
by
Kozak
(Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
To: rbg81
Who are these so called experts?People who WITHOUT A DOUBT do not live in the affected neighborhoods.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:23:51 AM PDT
by
Lizavetta
To: Kozak
Yeah, but under the rules for section 8 housing the GOVERNMENT pays for any damage to the property by the tenants. So for the landlord it's a no lose proposition. Guaranteed rent, and a government rehab when the POS move out. Which creates an incentive for the landlord of an old apartment in need of renovations, to rent to destructive Section 8 tenants. He then gets a government-paid renovation when they move out
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:24:56 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
To: Kozak
The government pays the absolute MINIMUM for the replacement, not the true value. It was and is a losing proposition for someone who wants their house to stay in good condition
To: clee1
except that it is highly illegal to reject section 8 tenants and it lands you a big fat discrimination lawsuit. One of the reasons there are people that would rather loose their property than rent it.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:26:29 AM PDT
by
Mom MD
(Jesus is the Light of the world!)
To: Kozak
I have a friend who rented to section 8 tenants. They did over 50,000 in damage to a 150,000 unit (basically he had to take everything to the studs and start over)
I am not aware he got one dime from the government to help pay for the damage.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:29:05 AM PDT
by
Mom MD
(Jesus is the Light of the world!)
To: reaganaut1
....here’s a hypothetical question:
....if foreclosures continue on government backed mortgages does that mean the government takes possession of the empty house?
.....and if the government ends up with a bunch of empty houses what’s to stop them from just GIVING them to folks now living down in the projects?
.....coming soon to your and my neighborhood???
To: SoftballMominVA
We are renting a large farmhouse on 80 acres. The last tenants were ghetto escapees. They wrecked the place.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:32:21 AM PDT
by
DJ MacWoW
("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
To: reaganaut1
This practice has ruined an area and school in my hometown. This is an affluent and mostly white town. Thanks to Habitat and the county we have seen crime skyrocket. Many Katrina refuse.
The county used it as revenge for various parts of the county voting for cityhood and escaping their tax heavy service non-existant clutches.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:37:30 AM PDT
by
doodad
To: SoftballMominVA
A few years ago, in our townhouse community, 5 out of 40 units on our block went 'section 8.Do you mind if I ask where? We moved out from the NoVa suburbs about 10 years ago.
To: Kozak
This is not quite true. I used to rent to S-8 tenants and I assure you the government does not pay for the repairs.
To: PapaBear3625
You actually believe that the government pays enough to repair the damage?! Welfare commandeered a local motel for welfare recipients. They wrecked it. The owners finally tore it all down. It had been cute cabins with an inground pool. The inground pool was the first casualty of the “less fortunate”.
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posted on
08/09/2008 5:40:17 AM PDT
by
DJ MacWoW
("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
To: reaganaut1
Law enforcement experts and housing researchers argue that rising crime rates follow Section 8 recipients to their new homes, while other experts discount any direct link So which is it? Are these welfare recipients being "stalked" by crime or is it just a coincidence that wherever they are,crime is?
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