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Flush With Energy (Energy and Taxes in Denmark)
NY Times ^ | August 9, 2008 | THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Posted on 08/10/2008 1:39:36 PM PDT by lowbridge

There is little whining here about Denmark having $10-a-gallon gasoline because of high energy taxes. The shaping of the market with high energy standards and taxes on fossil fuels by the Danish government has actually had “a positive impact on job creation,” added Hedegaard. “For example, the wind industry — it was nothing in the 1970s. Today, one-third of all terrestrial wind turbines in the world come from Denmark.” In the last 10 years, Denmark’s exports of energy efficiency products have tripled. Energy technology exports rose 8 percent in 2007 to more than $10.5 billion in 2006, compared with a 2 percent rise in 2007 for Danish exports as a whole.

“It is one of our fastest-growing export areas,” said Hedegaard. It is one reason that unemployment in Denmark today is 1.6 percent. In 1973, said Hedegaard, “we got 99 percent of our energy from the Middle East. Today it is zero.”

Frankly, when you compare how America has responded to the 1973 oil shock and how Denmark has responded, we look pathetic.

“I have observed that in all other countries, including in America, people are complaining about how prices of [gasoline] are going up,” Denmark’s prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, told me. “The cure is not to reduce the price, but, on the contrary, to raise it even higher to break our addiction to oil. We are going to introduce a new tax reform in the direction of even higher taxation on energy and the revenue generated on that will be used to cut taxes on personal income — so we will improve incentives to work and improve incentives to save energy and develop renewable energy.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: climatechange; denmark; energy; environment; fascism; oil; transportation

1 posted on 08/10/2008 1:39:36 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

“In 1973, said Hedegaard, “we got 99 percent of our energy from the Middle East. Today it is zero.”

This statistic needs to become a worldwide reality and fast.


2 posted on 08/10/2008 1:42:23 PM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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To: lowbridge
What was most impressive about this day, though, was that it was raining. No matter. The Danes simply donned rain jackets and pants for biking. If only we could be as energy smart as Denmark!

Yeah, Tommy. We should all aspire to ride our bikes in the rain. That's the liberal idiots idea of progress.

3 posted on 08/10/2008 1:47:51 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: lowbridge
How convenient he leaves out this tidbit:

Denmark in 2006 generated 45.6 billion kWh of electricity, 54% of this from coal (24.4 TWh being a big increase from previous years), 21% from gas and 13% (6.1 billion kWh) from wind.

Could we switch to coal, too?

4 posted on 08/10/2008 1:50:58 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: lowbridge
Gas prices are high, taxes are high and that's the way it is, and we LIKE IT! We LOVE IT! Because we are ignorant morons!

5 posted on 08/10/2008 2:20:49 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obamuh uh uh uh uh uh uh ummmmmm)
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To: lowbridge
Tom needs to get real.

Denmark is just slightly larger than MARYLAND.

About 30 or 40 wind turbines and a couple of coal fired plants probably take care of most of the country.

6 posted on 08/10/2008 2:29:19 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: raybbr

U.S. coal fired power plants put 25 tons of uranium up the smokestack/year. Not to mention thorium, mercury and other goodies.


7 posted on 08/10/2008 2:34:44 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner
U.S. coal fired power plants put 25 tons of uranium up the smokestack/year. Not to mention thorium, mercury and other goodies.

I looked for this. Do you have a link to the info?

8 posted on 08/10/2008 3:06:49 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: lowbridge
Libs are so silly. Here we have an ignorant Thomas Friedman telling us we need to look like Denmark.Friedman quickly mentions the problems with his take on this problem."To be sure, Denmark is much smaller than us and was lucky to discover some oil in the North Sea."

No doubt there are things we can learn. But, to believe we could replicate what a tiny nation has done on energy is ridiculous. Whats the big deal exactly? 2/3 of Denmarks energy consumption is fossil fuels (oil, coal, gas). Denmark is the second largest oil exporter in the European Union.

We have discussed the problems of wind power here in numerous threads. When we need the energy the wind is not there. Long transmission lines that are not an issue in tiny Denmark.

Bicycles instead of cars. Fine in countries like Denmark where long commutes are rare. Compact and small nations can emphasize bikes. We SHOULD make our cities and suburbs more bike friendly. However, I commute 80 miles a day. I'm in pretty good shape for a 58 year old codger, but 80 miles?

This column is simply another example of US libs desire to become like the social democratic states of Western Europe. Obama and the Dems are certainly on the verge of having the opportunity. Pray for our future.

9 posted on 08/10/2008 4:14:43 PM PDT by davidtalker (David Gold - goldtalk.com)
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To: lowbridge

“In 1973, said Hedegaard, “we got 99 percent of our energy from the Middle East. Today it is zero”

So what!!!!!

In 1973 there were no oil fields producing in the North Sea!!!!

While $10 per gallon gasoline would definitely reduce consumption in the USA, I doubt the voters would be willing to suffer the massive dislocations that would cause.

Suburban housing would plummet in price as people moved to live closer to their work.


10 posted on 08/10/2008 5:36:45 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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Suburban housing would plummet in price as people moved to live closer to their work.

Or, downtown real estate prices would plummet as businesses moved closer to their desired employees. Which, in many cities, has happened to a great degree. Look at Cleveland, Ohio for instance. Where are the high-growth areas? Not downtown, but in nearby suburban Westlake, Independence, Strongsville, and Beachwood. People don't want to live in the ultra-liberal inner cities, and businesses don't want to live in socialist regions either.

11 posted on 08/10/2008 5:57:44 PM PDT by meyer (...by any means necessary.)
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