Bingo. It's as simple as that.
Posted on 08/11/2008 3:29:04 AM PDT by Puzzleman
DUH!!!
I have been saying it since before this schmuck got nominated, the more people get to know him the more they will reject him. Swing voters will NEVER go for this sclub.
The Democratic party is going to nominate the absolute worst candidate ever by a major party. No experience, no real ability, just smiles and waves and teleprompters.
This guy should have been flushed out during the first round of the primaries, and had the D party was been so overrun by moonbats and intellectual midgets he would have been.
Well enjoy your defeat D, this guy will be lucky if he hits 40% of the vote on election day.
Counterpunch,
I’ve been a member here since 1998. Are you saying that because I advocate a third party that I’m a DU troll?
I truly hope you’re not so hopped up on the McCain Kool-aid that you believe that.
I want there to be a new conservative voice.
My current level of advocacy is that McCain is bad, but better than Obambi. So, if you can hold your nose and vote for him, do it. If you can’t, at least vote for a conservative 3rd party and when this contencious election is done, we do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to get a new Conservative party going strong.
Is that “DU troll” bait?
Or is that RESPONSIBLE CONSERVATISM????
Your immediate response if someone can’t drink the kool-aid is that they HAVE to be voting for Obama, or that their voting is enodorsing Obama. That’s bull-excrement. And you know it. It’s intellectually dishonest. It assumes that all votes are OWED to the Republicans or the Demoncrats. And they’re NOT. My vote is my most precious American right. And to tell me that I have to vote your way, or somehow I’m endorsing that which I find repugnant is basically telling me that according to you, I have no right to vote. And I will tell you that I will defend my right to vote as my father, my uncles, my grandfathers and my great grandfathers. My nephew is about to go to Iraq. And in doing so, he’s indirectly defending my right to vote. (If I didn’t get cancer at age 16, I’d have gone into the service and defended my country too.)
So, your claims are sick.
It’s a damn shame that the FR admin can’t clean up the trash you’ve tried to pile on with your binary view of the world. Either you’re for McCain, or you’re for Obama in your world view. Frankly, we have such poor voter turnout because of crap like that. If you people (the binaries) would shut the he!! up, then maybe some of the disenfranchised voters would return to the process and help actually recover some of our country’s greatness.
And yes, if one Conservative (Duncan Hunter was the only one in the group) had won, I’d have certainly been voting Republican. If McCain picks the right running mate, I may still vote for his VP, but I won’t vote FOR McCain. I may vote AGAINST Obambi. So, you can cut the crap.
Paul
“It’s time FR had some house cleaning.”
WOW.
What a confession.
You would rather a CONSERVATIVE forum, NOT a REPUBLICAN forum, stifle voices of dissent.
Free Republic is a board DEDICATED TO CONSERVATIVE ISSUES.
From the home page:
“Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We’re working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!
“
What is more grass-roots than gathering together to start a new smaller organization dedidcated to freedom and conservatism?
Rooting out political fraud and corruption is NOT giving McCain, who gave us a bill with his name on it that clearly violates the First Amendment, another which allows illegals to run roughshod over us, and has worked to circumvent the Constitution (Gang of 14), a free pass. It certainly doesn’t mean giving Obama a free pass is acceptable either. But, what you’re doing it saying “If you don’t agree with me, you should be wiped off the board.”
Excuse me?
Read the above quote from Jim Robinson. And tell me WHERE it says “unconditional support of all things Republican”???????
It DOESN’T.
And so, you just need to STOP what you’re advocating.
It’s wrong. It’s sick. It’s intellectually dishonest. It’s a whining crybaby attack. “WHAAAAAA!!!! I CAN’T HAVE MY WAY!!!! WHY CAN’T THE ADMINS WIPE OUT THE NON-MCCAIN ADVOCATES!!!!!”
At least learn how to argue your points without resorting to defamation and censorship.
The rest of us know how to do it.
Bingo. It's as simple as that.
“Same goals, same tactics, same hates and psychosis.”
Same goals? Simple as that?
And what are the goals of a centrist? Care to expalin?
Absolutely right, the last four elections prove it. Clinton had to feign being a centrist in order to win, both times. Clinton didn't get caught, but the people are reading right through Obama.
All this talk about Obama being over-exposed as the reason he's plummeting in the polls, (it couldn't possibly be liberal IDEAS, no, no, NO!) it's not that people are getting tired of him, it's that they are getting to know him for what he is.
And if he doesn't, then believe me, it will mean that Obama is facing a landslide loss in the general election -- in which case, my vote will not have mattered anyway.
I mean, if Obama can't even carry Massachusetts, what chance does he have to win the White House?
IIRC, Democratic strategists in the Kerry camp conceded in 2004 that the media is worth 15-20% in every election for the dems. That makes way too many elections close elcetions and often would seem to be the tilting point.
1976, 1992 and 1996 would seem to be good examples where the media did its job and it worked.
What you quoted I did not say. I was referring to the far-right and far-left. They truly are indistinguishable and agreed with tlb.
I should have included the other poster as well.
The amusing part of this debate is that the “Centrists” (whatever that is) look more and more like the dangerous ideologues. As shown with their support for the centrist hero McCain and the disgusting legislation he has tied his name to.
This is Florida. We need an early start to get things properly screwed up.
Man50D is a DU troll who showed up after the 2004 election just to sow discontent.
To tell the truth, I have no problems with trolls, I can just skip over their replies if I want to. Other opinions are always good to me. If they really piss me off, well, I can deal with that, in 6 languages!! Retired Chiefs seem to have that skill!!
Jack
Yes, FR should clean out those who would act towards the election of Barack Hussein Obama, who is not only the most radical liberal to ever run for president, but also the single greatest threat threat to America to ever run.
This election isn’t about John McCain, it is about whether or not we allow Barack Hussein Obama to become president, and anyone working towards that dangerous end should be removed from FR with urgency.
Yes, FR should clean out those who would act towards the election of Barack Hussein Obama, who is not only the most radical liberal to ever run for president, but also the single greatest threat to America to ever run.
This election isn’t about John McCain, it is about whether or not we allow Barack Hussein Obama to become president, and anyone working towards that dangerous end should be removed from FR with urgency.
It’s scary that you honestly believe that being conservative and NOT backing McCain is actively backing Obama.
You’re the dangerous one. Basically, you’re saying if I don’t follow your thoughts, then my rights to think my own thoughts shouldn’t be allowed. Since when is that totaltarian thought conservative?
Would you rather those who don’t want to support McCain just not vote, or be a part of the process? I believe that they should be part of the process. Bear in mind, that will mean that some Republicans will get elected that wouldn’t otherwise, because they’re further down on the ticket that otherwise wouldn’t have been filled out by someone who will NOT vote for a Democrat.
To you, there is only black and white. And if anyone dares think different from you, then they’re on the wrong side. Doesn’t matter. You’ve shut your mind completely. And that’s scary.
I think you shouldn’t bring your trash to FR.
If you want to sow disunity and agitate on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama, go join DU.
Counterpunch, I’ve been here a LOT longer than you.
I have NEVER been ANYTHING but a CONSERVATIVE. If you check your bias at the door, you’ll find that this is NOT a REPUBLICAN board, but instead, a CONSERVATIVE board.
If you truly believe that, you need to get your head out of the clouds.
I supported Duncan Hunter. Can you tell me that McCain is more conservative than Mr. Hunter? No. You’d be lying if you did.
Because of the situation with McCain, I can honestly tell you, I felt like not voting this election cycle.
I felt completely disenfranchised. A liberal Republican (barely) versus a complete communist. After Conservatism light (read Compassionate Conservatism) and Republicrats voting for more spending than ever before, I felt like the Republican party had completely left all of us who were Conservatives. I thought about it and decided that it would be better to encourage those who are feeling like me to either re-look at McCain, or vote conservative down the line, instead of not voting at all. You tell me that’s “trash” because I’m not jumping up and down and screaming McCain from the tops of the buildings. I call bull.
Here’s the simple solution. I truly believe in the greatness of this country. I do not believe the Duopoly in charge in this country is out for the good of the country.
I truly believe after this election, it is time to start a new conservative movement. Because frankly, there is NO WAY that McCain OR Obama deserves even one vote.
Does that mean I’m working against McCain? No. It means you are sorely delusional if you believe that I am. I’m not agitating for Obambi. Never have, never will, and frankly, I find it insulting as hell that you would try to claim that.
I’m going to ask 2 questions and see if you have the courage to answer them.
1) Is FreeRepublic a conservative message board or a Republican message board?
2) Are the Republicans still a party of conservative values?
I doubt you will have the courage to answer either of those. But, you will not insult me and challenge my right to an opinion that differs from mine without a challenge. I will vigorously defend your right to your wrong opinion, but you WILL NOT take away mine.
Paul
What I meant in my post as ‘conservatism’ is a tendency for Americans to desire less government interference in their lives.
Reagan had a way of phrasing that historical undercurrent in such a way that it resonated. No politician since then, except for a few guys like Ron Paul, even go there anymore. And he’s not a communicator like Reagan- he also blows the whole deal when he talks about Iraq.
When was the last time you saw anyone say, "No we don't need or want federal disaster aid?" And look at the mortgagae bailout. While this really benefits the big banks, most people see this as about helping the "little guy" and the person who wants to unload a mortgage that they stupidly took.
I think that’s true for people who don’t see the big picture, or only perceive the immediate effects of such policies. They attach no personal cost to it.
If the big picture can be communicated, and the reality driven home that eventually we will have to pay for all this costly government, the shift occurs. Reagan was masterful at framing that very debate properly.
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