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Victor Davis Hanson: Moscow’s Sinister Brilliance. Who wants to die for Tbilisi?
NRO ^ | August 12, 2008 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 08/12/2008 5:48:45 AM PDT by Tolik

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To: Tolik
"The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left."

Everyone has. In fact, an oppressive oligarchy of thugs and tin-horn dictators, living in splendor--themselves, of course--is the Leftist Dream. Moral highmindedness is their camoflage, bread and circuses their handouts to the peasantry, but their moral bankruptcy is obvious to all but the delusional and the stupid.

21 posted on 08/12/2008 6:23:07 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Today Pelosi's going to save the planet. Last week she was Joan of Arc.)
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To: mick

On this I agree, and it should include several brigades from the US and capable allies... oops. The US.

Europe is ready for a new dictator given Sarkozy’s comments. The French sound ready to F’ING surrender already.


22 posted on 08/12/2008 6:29:52 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: Tolik
Most importantly, Putin and Medvedev have called the West’s bluff.
23 posted on 08/12/2008 6:37:16 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: hershey

I would love to imagine he’s wrong, but I don’t see how. I pray he’s wrong.
susie


24 posted on 08/12/2008 6:38:40 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: Tolik

weak


25 posted on 08/12/2008 6:42:08 AM PDT by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Tolik
The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left. - VDH

Well yes, about 80 years ago.

Another bunch have sized it up too: Muslims. Here's a snip from "The Role of Islam in North Ossetia" by Mikhail Roshchin:

"While the majority of Ossetians are Christian, according to official estimates, 15-30 percent of the population is Muslim. The Ossetian capital of Vladikavkaz houses the central mosque, built in the beginning of the 20th century. Money for the construction of the mosque came from Azeri oil magnate Murtuza Mukhtarov, who married an Ossetian woman named Tuganova. (The mosque was built in the Egyptian style and has no architectural analogies in the North Caucasus.) But it was only after the collapse of the Soviet Union that a massive religious revival occurred. Islam began to be practiced more openly, with many Muslims adopting so-called Wahhabism, which is what fundamentalism is referred to in the North Caucasus."

Full commentary at www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2372087

As long as this conflict is framed in terms of Christians killing Christians, and a toddling democracy being mowed down by an undead and flesh-eating Soviet empire, Muslims will be reinforced, especially in their opinions of the moral bankruptcy of the West, its ruling left, plus its right and center.

26 posted on 08/12/2008 6:43:30 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (My spiritual advisor is a lawyer.)
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To: Savage Beast

Well said.


27 posted on 08/12/2008 6:45:29 AM PDT by Obadiah (I remember when the climate never changed, then Bush stole the election.)
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To: Tolik

Yep, he nails it.


28 posted on 08/12/2008 6:48:10 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I agree. But I wonder if Putin and more especially his generals have the stones for a fight. If we were to commit air power and do to the Ruskies what the IAF does periodically to Syria would the embarassment force Putin to retreat or would he and his generals up the stakes.

If we do nothing then Poland, Ukraine, the Baltics, the stans, and just about every former soviet republic and satellite will look at us and see the choppers leaving the roof of the embassy in Saigon. Putin will be on the way to restoring what Reagan, John Paul II, and Maggie Thatcher destroyed. I would not wish to be George Bush today.

29 posted on 08/12/2008 6:55:05 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (Freedom is purchased not with gold, but with steel.)
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To: mick
Outstanding article. We need to immediately convene NATO and grant membership to Ukraine. To show Putin that he may have won Georgia but he has lost Ukraine forever.

I agree that this is the right thing to do but I doubt that the spineless Europeans will agree.

30 posted on 08/12/2008 6:59:24 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: xkaydet65

This is the opening round of Russia’s march to reclaim their empire. Sorta reminds me of Germany circa 1930s. The West will wring their hands and beg for peace until it’s too late. All the Russians need to complete their conquests is President Obama.


31 posted on 08/12/2008 7:04:48 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Tolik

With great and painful reluctance, I am forced to agree with the author.


32 posted on 08/12/2008 7:13:46 AM PDT by sourcery (Social Justice. n. 1. Enslavement of those who work for the benefit of those who don't.)
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To: steveyp

I missed Sarkozy’s comments. What did he say?

From your post I guess it was a cave...which surprises me. I thought he was a tough guy and a defender of the West.


33 posted on 08/12/2008 7:15:45 AM PDT by mick
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To: mick

“We need to immediately convene NATO and grant membership to Ukraine. To show Putin that he may have won Georgia but he has lost Ukraine forever.”

Absolutely excellent post. From your fingertips to God’s ear.

Tatt


34 posted on 08/12/2008 7:25:19 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said it's prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Openly and enthusiaticly bring Ukraine under the umbrella of NATO and make it clear that Russian meddling will have massive consequences -- that's the way to teach Putin some manners.

Except that the "NATO umbrella" is a fraud, and Putin knows it.

Bringing Ukraine into NATO is provocative, and, since the provocation has nothing backing it up except hot air, it's a dangerous provocation.

35 posted on 08/12/2008 7:29:16 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: ClearCase_guy
On the other hand, pushing NATO membership of Ukraine is the opposite. Openly and enthusiaticly bring Ukraine under the umbrella of NATO and make it clear that Russian meddling will have massive consequences -- that's the way to teach Putin some manners.

The eastern europeans have a clearer eye when it comes to the Russians. Germany & some of the other original NATO countries are rather crudely (pardon the pun) being manipulated by Putin. Maybe we shout just scap NATO & create a BALTIC alliance? Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, the US (and any other NATO country that cares to do some heavy-lifting... you get the idea.

36 posted on 08/12/2008 7:33:21 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Jim Noble
You may be right. In which case, what's the point of NATO? And what's the point of the UN?

I say: bring Ukraine into NATO. If NATO shows itself to be a fraud, then dissolve NATO. I certainly think we should dissolve the UN -- they showed themselves to be frauds a long time ago.

The world cannot move toward real solutions as long as we have some expectation that these ridiculous organizations have roles to play. Sweep the table clean and face the situations clearly.

37 posted on 08/12/2008 7:35:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: Tolik
They know that half-a-million Europeans would turn out to damn their patron the United States for removing a dictator and fostering democracy, but not more than a half-dozen would do the same to criticize their long-time enemy from bombing a constitutional state.

Brilliant essay, God I wish it weren't so true. The West's "civilized" ways may lead to the end of Western civilization. We assume that others will play by our rules but the world is run by force in the end, and I would prefer that force to be in the hands of people who love freedom rather than ruthless power-hungry dictators.

38 posted on 08/12/2008 7:50:53 AM PDT by RobFromGa (It's the Spending, Stupid! (not the method of collection))
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To: mick

MOSCOW (AFP)—French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Tuesday it was “normal” for Moscow to defend Russian-speaking people beyond its borders, but added that Georgia’s territorial integrity had to be respected.

“It’s perfectly normal that Russia would want to defend the interests both of Russians in Russia and Russian speakers outside Russia,” Sarkozy said.

Sarkozy went on to ask which camp Brother Putin would like the French Jews and Gypsies and Homosexuals sent. It’s only the normal course of business in the EUrinal EUtopia.


39 posted on 08/12/2008 7:53:39 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: Tolik

One thing VDH does not mention as a possible reprisal is us exercising again the “Afghan” option. Would it be possible for Vlad to learn the meaning of “Sin in Haste, Repent at leisure”?


40 posted on 08/12/2008 7:55:23 AM PDT by Riflema
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