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To: GourmetDan
How successful has attributing physical phenomena to supernatural agency been when compared to attributing physical phenomena to predictable and natural means? It seems the entirety of the technological world we live in was derived from the latter not the former.

So no Scientist (thus all Scientists are “evolutionists” according to your definition) can explain a phenomenon by saying “Goddidit” and still be a Scientist, he has just become a theologian.

492 posted on 08/15/2008 2:42:40 PM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: allmendream; GourmetDan
How successful has attributing physical phenomena to supernatural agency been when compared to attributing physical phenomena to predictable and natural means?

What practical difference could it make in the application of of knowledge to technology whether the cause of a physical phenomena were natural or supernatural? Whatever the cause, the physical laws of the universe are still the same and systems obey them the same way.

It seems the entirety of the technological world we live in was derived from the latter not the former.

How so? It's only comparatively recently that the adherence to the naturalistic philosophy has been demanded of scientists. Lots of technology, not to mention scientific discoveries, were accomplished by men who totally believed that the cause of natural phenomena was God.

Just how does one's opinion of the cause hinder their application of knowledge in the form of technology?

497 posted on 08/15/2008 2:51:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream
"How successful has attributing physical phenomena to supernatural agency been when compared to attributing physical phenomena to predictable and natural means? It seems the entirety of the technological world we live in was derived from the latter not the former."

Now you are making the error of the 'fallacy of equivocation'.

Technology does not equate to naturalism, nor does it logically follow that naturalism is true because natural physical laws exist. To claim that technology supports naturalism is rather foolish.

"So no Scientist (thus all Scientists are “evolutionists” according to your definition) can explain a phenomenon by saying “Goddidit” and still be a Scientist, he has just become a theologian."

Exactly the point. Scientists are, by definition, philosophical naturalists. They are constrained by their belief to material answers, no matter how outrageous, no matter how close to magic they are. Thus, their statements should not be relied on as support for evolution. It is a consequence of their belief-system. Science does not have truth. It is philosophical naturalism.

498 posted on 08/15/2008 2:52:45 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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