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Plant Prejudice vs. the Constitution
PatriotPost.US ^ | Aug 13, 2008 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 08/13/2008 6:30:00 PM PDT by microgood

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1 posted on 08/13/2008 6:30:00 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

medical mary jane is a canard


2 posted on 08/13/2008 6:32:40 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: microgood
“If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause," Justice Clarence Thomas noted in his dissent, “it can regulate virtually anything -- and the federal government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers."

It slipped the leash long go. We no longer live under the system of government bequeathed to us by the Founders, IMHO.

3 posted on 08/13/2008 6:35:48 PM PDT by sionnsar (Impeach Obama |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: yldstrk

On what do you base this assertion?


4 posted on 08/13/2008 6:36:45 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: sionnsar
"ago" -> "go"

stumble-fingers strike again... or fail to

5 posted on 08/13/2008 6:36:56 PM PDT by sionnsar (Impeach Obama |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: yldstrk
medical mary jane is a canard

I agree.

The medical marijuana crowd was just too gutless to put it on the ballot as a full legalization.

Smoking anything is bad for you...

I HAVE AN IDEA...

PUT A MEDICAL TOBACCO INITIATIVE ON THE BALLOT!

The politically correct fascists will literally defecate!

6 posted on 08/13/2008 6:38:57 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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mary jane creates total wastrels where real people used to be


7 posted on 08/13/2008 6:39:18 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: microgood

If they can take heroin and make a useful drug that is available by prescription, why can’t that be done with marijuana? People should not have to inhale smoke to get the benefits of a medicine. Make it available legally and in another form.


8 posted on 08/13/2008 6:39:44 PM PDT by bluegirl
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Precisely. Watch the “Law and Order” conservatives rail against marijuana and then lean back and take a hearty sip of Beer.

There are few issues that make people as nutty as the regulation of what people put do to their bodies.

Conservatives tend to come down against smoking bans.
Liberals tend to be for them.

Conservatives tend to come down against pot smokers.
Liberals tend to be for them.

Nutty!

Disclaimer: I neither drink, smoke, nor do drugs. I just don’t care what you do to your body. I like mine clean and sober thank you.


9 posted on 08/13/2008 6:39:47 PM PDT by rom
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medical mary jane is a canard

Whether it is or is not, I prefer to let the States make the decision. Might as well do away with the States altogether with such a broad reading of the Commerce Clause anyway.

10 posted on 08/13/2008 6:40:26 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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medical mary jane is a canard

Well I guess we better tell that Stanford University oncologist that yldstrk knows more than he does. I assume you are a leading medical expert in cancer treatment.
11 posted on 08/13/2008 6:42:41 PM PDT by microgood
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To: sionnsar
It slipped the leash long go. We no longer live under the system of government bequeathed to us by the Founders, IMHO.

When I first joined FR, I really believed the conservatives wanted strict constitutionalists on the court. As I learned more, I realized they wanted as activists judges as the liberals, the only difference being which part of the constitution they liked, and which part they disagreed with.

Clarence Thomas is the only real constitutionalist on the court, the other 8 are activists on one side or the other.
12 posted on 08/13/2008 6:45:44 PM PDT by microgood
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MaryJane was indeed one of the few effective “drugs” against chemo side-effects 20+ years ago.

There’s been a lot of progress since then, including a synthetic pill form of the same ingredients of MJ. There is no reason to buy pot for “medicine”.

If people want to legalize it — and I’m ambivalent on this issue — at least they shouldn’t try to use a straw man to do it.


13 posted on 08/13/2008 6:49:03 PM PDT by TWohlford
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To: bluegirl
Make it available legally and in another form.


14 posted on 08/13/2008 6:49:20 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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Watch the “Law and Order” conservatives rail against marijuana and then lean back and take a hearty sip of Beer.

They'll cheer the federal drug war, and then bitch about the federal abuse of power over things like the Endangered Species Act, or federal "hate crime" laws.

Clarence Thomas gets it.

15 posted on 08/13/2008 6:49:33 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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“If they can take heroin and make a useful drug that is available by prescription, why can’t that be done with marijuana?”

Cocaine has medical uses too, and hospitals buy it legally all the time. That still doesn’t give anyone an excuse to to smoke some crack.


16 posted on 08/13/2008 6:50:27 PM PDT by TWohlford
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When I first joined FR, I really believed the conservatives wanted strict constitutionalists on the court.

They all seem to say they want SC justices that hold an "original intent" interpretation of the Constitution, but they don't seem to want representatives or executives that practice it.

17 posted on 08/13/2008 6:52:58 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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“They’ll cheer the federal drug war, and then bitch about the federal abuse of power over things like the Endangered Species Act, or federal “hate crime” laws.”

Here are my options:

1. Deal w/ drug abuses like we have been doing. We fill up the jails, have drug wars (akin to Al Capone’s alcohol wars in the 1930’s), and basically don’t solve the problem.

2. We follow the Amsterdam example. We legalize it, grade it, tax it. We then get drug parties in parks, still get theft and violence, and still have people ruining not only their lives, but the lives of their families. We still don’t solve the problem.

So, yeah, I’d love to legalize MJ. I don’t smoke it, although I tried it a few times and I DID inhale and I kinda enjoyed it. Still, can anyone show me where we can legalize the stuff and not have MORE problems than we have now?


18 posted on 08/13/2008 6:54:52 PM PDT by TWohlford
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Might as well do away with the States altogether with such a broad reading of the Commerce Clause anyway.

"Might as well"? Have you taken a look at what the feds do with the "grants" they make to the states -- first the enticement to accept the grant and subsequently the threat of its withdrawal or reduction??

Way too often the cost of implementing the latest requirement goes WAY above what the requirement would cost to execute, and that's what I tell my state legislators on specific issues. And I've seen other states proceed (their shares enlarged by the monies we gave up) and find -- lo and behold, this costs MUCH more than the proffered monies! Gee whillickers; if *I* could figger that out...

The system has flaws and is broken. But there are too many vested interests with no incentive to fix it.

Draw your own conclusions.

19 posted on 08/13/2008 6:55:34 PM PDT by sionnsar (Impeach Obama |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: microgood

Sadly, I have reluctantly come to agree with you. I will only make the exception that [some?/most?] conservatives want this. Not all do, I just don’t have the numbers.


20 posted on 08/13/2008 6:57:57 PM PDT by sionnsar (Impeach Obama |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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