Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Evidence in Georgia Belies Russia's Claims of 'Genocide'
WSJ ^ | 08/15/08 | ANDREW OSBORN in Tskhinvali, Georgia, and JEANNE WHALEN in Moscow

Posted on 08/14/2008 10:27:13 PM PDT by Fred

Russia's assertions that it was provoked into war by "genocide" in South Ossetia and that it is observing a cease-fire in Georgia came under new challenge Thursday, as the U.S. stepped up diplomatic pressure on Moscow.

Washington agreed to base missile interceptors on Polish soil, in a new sign of how Russia's invasion of Georgia is redrawing the geopolitical map.

On the ground in South Ossetia -- the contested region where fighting broke out last week between Georgia and Russia -- there was little evidence that Georgian attacks killed thousands of civilians, as Russia has said. Doctors said they had treated a few hundred people and one cited a confirmed death toll in the dozens.

Russia and Georgia agreed to a cease-fire Tuesday, and Russia has said it is keeping the peace in places such as Gori, the Georgian city where Russian tanks have taken up positions. That was belied by an incident inside Gori Thursday morning: A man seized the sport-utility vehicle of three United Nations officials at gunpoint, in full view of Russian troops who did nothing.

"Georgian cities remain...subject to hostile and aggressive behavior," said Georgia's ambassador to the U.N., Irakli Alasania. "Looting...and murder have become customary."

Russia's U.N. ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, said his nation is a victim of a "disinformation campaign of spectacular proportions." He said Russian troops "have never occupied Gori."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin have repeatedly said that Georgian troops committed genocide against South Ossetians last week when the war broke out. Mr. Medvedev on Tuesday referred to "thousands" of South Ossetians killed in the conflict. Russia has cited this as a main reason for sending troops into the region.

Other Russian and South Ossetian officials have pegged the death toll as high as 2,000

(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: bodycount; geopolitics; georgia; mcain; obama; oil; poland; propaganda; putin; russia; saakashvili; saakashvilla; southossetia; ukraine; war

1 posted on 08/14/2008 10:35:04 PM PDT by Fred
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Fred
When the Russians first reached the city of Tshinvali, there were no images of the thousands killed showed on tv. Just the same burning building. On the internet now, there are some pictures of victims but certainly not thousands and most of them were probably killed after the soviets invaded.
2 posted on 08/14/2008 11:06:19 PM PDT by Tramonto (Regime change in Russia)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: al baby
"Washington agreed to base missile interceptors on Polish soil"

Looks like the Bush Administration has been reading my posts! Better late than never!

;-)

.......
21. Send Georgia whatever military equipment it requests.
22. Fly satellites over Russian positions and deliver excellent intelligence to Georgia. Inform the world we are doing it.
23. Move further faster on missile defence with Poland and Czech Republic.
24. Deploy a large naval contingent to Russia’s East Coast.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2061606/posts?page=11#11

3 posted on 08/14/2008 11:15:40 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Fred

Lying Russians.


4 posted on 08/15/2008 12:52:20 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Fred

for what it’s worth

some Brit colonel was on NPR today with claims that Chechnyans and other Muslims are in parts of Georgia now killing civilians.

that part of the world is where blood vendetta gets it’s name

nothing would surprise me from any side


5 posted on 08/15/2008 12:54:42 AM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Miltie

I thought the missiles were to be in Poland but the interception radar stations were to be in Czech Republic.


6 posted on 08/15/2008 12:57:00 AM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: MarMema

“Lying Russians”

It’s like you said “white snow”, or “hot fire”.


7 posted on 08/15/2008 1:31:30 AM PDT by lizol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Miltie; Travis McGee
I like the idea of providing military support to Georgia.

If the Georgians can create a small, elite professional military that is armed with Western equipment (American, British, German, French, Israeli) and trained by Western personnel, I just about guarantee that they can give the Russians all they can handle.

The Georgians can never build up a force strong enough to completely stop the Russians, but if they can create one that will hurt the Russians badly enough that the acquisition of territory is outweighed by the destruction of their forces, it might be enough to give Moscow pause.

Here is a partial list of some of the equipment they should be given:
Tanks: Abrams, Challengers, Leopard II's, or LeClercs would work. Heck, even M-60's, Leopard I's or Centurions would be better than the T-55's and T-72's they are currently stuck with.
APC's: The ubiquitous M-113 has been around for many years and is still one of the finest personnel carriers around. While not as heavily armed or armored as a Bradley or Warrior, the 113 is a much better option than the open-top trucks the Georgian troops were traveling in, which left them vulnerable to shrapnel from artillery bursts.
Helicopters: There are several attack helicopter variants to choose from, including the American Apache, the European Tiger/Tigre, and the French Gazelle. At the same time, the choices for transport helicopter are numerous and range from the versitile UH-1 Huey to the CH-47 Chinook and from the Puma to the Lynx.
Aircraft: For a country with a limited operating budget that is in need of a fighter that can get down and dirty in the mud, the F-16 is a dream come true. While not quite as adapted for aerial combat as the F-15 or the Su-27, the F-16 is still an extremely capable platform that can be devastating in the hands of a skilled operator, to say nothing of its ability to hammer enemy ground targets. For transport aircraft, it is hard to go wrong with the C-130 for more reasons than I care to list here.
Warships: The Georgian Navy has never been a large unit, so it makes sense to equip it with the best small ships on the market. The Israeli Saar 5-class corvette is an extremely powerful warship for its size and can easily provide the core of a small force of fast attack craft, such as the German Gepard, the Israeli Saar 4, or the Norwegian Skjold-class missile boats.
Missiles: Two final bits of equipment that would greatly help the Georgians are portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles. Of all the various types on the market, the best would probably be the American Stinger and Javelin.

Thoughts, ideas, and suggestions are welcomed.

8 posted on 08/15/2008 1:48:10 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: wardaddy

The deal with Czech was signed last month...


9 posted on 08/15/2008 2:08:15 AM PDT by DJ Elliott
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Fred

Oh yeah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ


10 posted on 08/15/2008 2:16:56 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Bushwacker777

Enough with this video of the 12 yr old who says at the beginning, I don’t know what was happening....


11 posted on 08/15/2008 5:00:12 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Fred

Surprise, surprise, surprise!"

12 posted on 08/15/2008 5:04:35 AM PDT by McGruff (Kick Russia out of the G8, Kick them Now!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pobeda1945

ping


13 posted on 09/05/2008 12:08:04 AM PDT by MarMema ("..this isn't about the U.S. and Russia, It's about everyone and Russia.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SunkenCiv

One more.


14 posted on 10/11/2015 1:15:13 PM PDT by MarMema
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson