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NATO Now!
Kyiv Post ^ | Aug 13 2008 | Staff

Posted on 08/15/2008 12:58:26 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck

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To: conservativehusker

OK, then we’ll need a massive war tax, and our opponent does have nukes.

The fledglings need to figure out a way to negotiate surviving next to an angry bear because that’s where they have the misfortune to be located.


21 posted on 08/15/2008 1:44:31 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (El Conservo Tribal name "Avoids Fort Marcy Park")
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To: xkaydet65

What an enviable position the Russians seem to be in at the moment. They’re the only ones willing to use the weapons they have in pursuit of their goals.
NATO seems toothless, a situation the old Soviet Union could only dream of.
Makes one wonder if the ghost of Joseph Stalin might not be whispering in Putin’s ear?
Might we see Russian tanks in the streets of Paris one day?
Suddenly, it doesn’t seem all that far-fetched.


22 posted on 08/15/2008 1:54:28 PM PDT by 95 Bravo ("Freedom is not free.")
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Yes. Mexico is invading U.S. territory, and the only reason it hasn’t moved to repossess the Southwest is that 1) it is militarily weak and 2) all the trends are on their side anyway, demographically. We could end up with secession or civil war some day. Racially and culturally distinct populations simply do not mix peacefully. History has shown that again and again.


23 posted on 08/15/2008 2:08:53 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: boomop1
"NATO is a joke.

Absolutely.

The Ukraine would be wise not to anger the Bear with Old Europe's NATO forces covering their back.

France belongs to NATO (sort of) but their military doesn't, so they won't actually send troops to help anyone else. No one knows for sure if they will even fight to protect France as it hasn't happened yet.

The Germans won't even fight muslim terrorists in their own country - so they sure won't fight the Bear. They sent a hundred troops or so to the WOT to unroll bandages and drive pizza delivery trucks in the safe zone.

British troops are much better than their wimpy political leaders deserve but there aren't many of them. They will fight like mad except when ordered not to.

The other NATO countries all together might barely muster enough trained and equipped troops to guard NATO headquarters and only then if the USA pays them to do it.

But that's all the military any of them have needed for more than 60 years because they have had the USA to carry the freight for them, pay the bills and fight the fight while their politicians sit on the sidelines cheering against us.

24 posted on 08/15/2008 2:11:15 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

It's going to light a fire under surplus Leopard tank sales in East Europe...

25 posted on 08/15/2008 2:12:14 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Paine in the Neck
Get rid of NATO. Its a Potemkin alliance that is smothering Europeans to death with kindness. They will never get rid of socialism and defend themselves as long as we carry the entire ball for them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

26 posted on 08/15/2008 2:15:18 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: boomop1

NATO has become IMPOTENT. Even though the West may be in denial, the rest of the world is becoming aware of it. Putin knows that they can pretty much do whatever they want with complete impunity. The West will make sheep noises of complaint and that will be it. The West has been in denial of it’s enemies for some time now and the wake-up call is probably a little late.


27 posted on 08/15/2008 2:15:51 PM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: 95 Bravo
Might we see Russian tanks in the streets of Paris one day?

Maybe, and the only people fighting back will be Muslim.

28 posted on 08/15/2008 2:22:19 PM PDT by AZLiberty (You can't power the U.S. economy on Democrat snake oil.)
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To: goldstategop

“Get rid of NATO. Its a Potemkin alliance that is smothering Europeans to death with kindness. They will never get rid of socialism and defend themselves as long as we carry the entire ball for them.”

Agreed. With the exception of the Brits, the alliance has become worthless and not even Super Viagra can revive it. Old Europe will fall down on its knees and worship their dominators.


29 posted on 08/15/2008 2:25:28 PM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: Iron Munro
It is a shame we allow NATO to even exist I know we pay the most for that privilege as with the sham UN to operate. All for them to belittle us and vote against us in most cases. Makes me sick.
30 posted on 08/15/2008 4:02:58 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: NeoCaveman
Would we really be willing to go to war over the Ukraine?

Seriously?

What would be the national interest in doing that?

You raise a valid point. The same question applies to most of the other smaller NATO countries. When push comes to shove, the major powers will turn their backs on their smaller partners but in the meantime, lip service and posturing provides a hollow sense of security.

31 posted on 08/15/2008 6:53:13 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

If we have Ukraine in NATO, Russia will declare war. They will probably do so anyway.

We need to be very careful, one false move and we will have WWIII and hundreds of millions will die.


32 posted on 08/15/2008 8:37:38 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: hellbender

Which is why we will loose the Southwest soon.


33 posted on 08/15/2008 8:41:27 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NeoCaveman
Because of the oil pipelines?

Because our friends and allies need to know they can depend on us?

Because we have to back up our words with actions lest we appear timid and invite more attacks?

Maybe we could built up a reputation like the Spartans where in a conflict all they had to do was send one Spartan and the other side would usually back down?

One thing that irks me is that we have to deal with cavemen type personalities that keep up with this terrorism and war when we should be free to turn our minds and energy to the glorious future that awaits us.

I really resent the miliant muslims and even the greedy power hungry Russians trying to drag us back into the 7th Century or into pointless war and destruction when I want to see how great mankind will and what strides we will make.

So in order to do that we have to decisively and immediately stop these Neanderthals and make them think 5 or 6 times before they consider starting up this nonsense and destroy or defang the ones that can't be reformed. eg. Putin, Ahmadinejad.

34 posted on 08/16/2008 5:29:19 PM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: redgolum
You forget Roman military history, they knew that people were going to die sooner or later so they'd take care of the problem pdq and get the problem out of the way so that less people died.

Why wait until it becomes even bigger than it already is?

The Russian troops were ecstatically pulling off the dead Georgian soldiers' bayonets and boots. Sounds like the Russian army isn't that well armed and probably not very motivated when push comes to shove.

35 posted on 08/16/2008 5:38:03 PM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Chekist Russia will never give up Sebastopol without a fight. If the Lord of Battles wishes for there to be a fight, then there will be a fight.


36 posted on 08/16/2008 6:01:44 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
Soon those captured NATO bayonets will be turned against the Russians by the muslim Chechen dogs the Russians sent to rape and murder the Christian people of Georgia. Russia will pay a price in blood for its satanic crimes against humanity.
37 posted on 08/16/2008 6:05:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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