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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Tell that to New Yorkers, Miamians, Chicagoans, Los Angelenos, Bostonians, Brazilians, Canadians, Londoners, ...

I'm no expert in North and South American Demography, but from an external observation, US cities seem to be made up of moderates of electively located residents.
London is place I know well and is definitely not a culturally blended area, no matter you read in your media.

As for Europe, it definitely is not a model of multiculturalism, and is a simmering timebomb.

So say Ireland, Africa, Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Thailand, all the middle East, far East, Arabian Countries . . You know what? I can't give you a good example of a blended country that is a working example of multiculturalism, rather than a city of moderates electively living together.

I'm not talking about ' I eat Spanish food' or 'She likes Asian music' or 'He follows an Eastern religion' here, I'm talking about unmanageable rifts between people who would rather hack each other to pieces rather than share the same villages.

That is the reality of Countries throughout Europe and Asia, there are deep historical issues that left wing talkers will never overcome in a few presidential terms, it will take generations and generations, if it's even possible.

Please forgive me if my assumption that you're from the US is wrong, but things are very different here in Europe.
113 posted on 08/15/2008 5:17:23 PM PDT by Lilith Incubus
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To: Lilith Incubus
Allow me to apologize, but it seems that I have become infected with a particularly virulent strain of the Obama virus: I am actually holding out some hope that people will eventually behave rationally and things will turn out OK in the end.

However, your analysis is right on. In thinking more deeply about my examples, you are right that I am not describing what happens when real solid citizens of differing ethnic conditions come together.

What happens is that there are conflicts. In America we had various ethnic gangs and mafias that were at constant war with one another. Even in Los Angeles today a large amount of the gang violence is Hispanic vs. African-American.

I guess we imagine that eventually in America we all came together in a melting pot and moderated our ethnocentric and racist views. What really happened was that lots of people lost touch with their ethnic roots and instead associated themselves with the zeitgeist. These are the people you refer to as moderates.

If I were being more realistic I would say that rational people can rally themselves around rational principles (e.g. freedom, democracy, constitutional government) but their feelings and willingness to die for those abstractions will never be as deep or as heartfelt as the feelings of those who rally around their families, their homeland, and their ethnic heritage.

So I can argue that people should not fight for their land or their ethnic heritage, but instead fight for freedom, democracy, and decent road. But my arguments will be drowned out by the cries of those whose land has been taken, whose ethnic pride has been wounded, or whose family members have been killed.

Putin will visit South Ossetia sometime in the near future. He will be shot by a Georgian assassin. World War IV will commence.

124 posted on 08/15/2008 5:49:26 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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