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Georgian refugees' plight is grim
latimes ^ | 8-15-08 | megan stack

Posted on 08/15/2008 9:13:17 PM PDT by MarMema

The crush of displaced people has proved more than the government or aid organizations can handle. Many who have taken shelter in the Georgian capital say they could not have survived if not for an impromptu outpouring of charity from fellow Georgians, who have opened their doors to strangers and shown up at shelters bearing food, bedding, soap and medicine.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: georgia; humanitarianaid; humanitarianrelief; refugees; southossetia; war
Russia dropped a cluster bomb on Gori's main square Tuesday, just as civilians were gathering to collect food aid, a Human Rights Watch investigation concluded. The group also reported the Russian use of cluster bombs in the Georgian town of Ruisi. Russian officials deny the use of cluster bombs.
1 posted on 08/15/2008 9:13:17 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Jeff Head; redstateconfidential; lizol; autumnraine
this really says it all, but I was afraid to post much from latimes. Read the article with the stuff about the Russians did -

"A slight, dark-haired woman named Leila Kopadze said she watched militiamen rampage through her neighborhood in the Divani district. They stole cars and stuffed them with household goods, she said; ripped down Georgian flags and replaced them with Russian flags; set fire to houses. When one of her neighbors, a man named Ermala Bejanishvili, came running with buckets of water to put out the blaze engulfing his home, the militiamen gunned him down with a Kalashnikov, she said."

2 posted on 08/15/2008 9:16:17 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: danielusenko; XR7; eastforker; Dead Dog; Islander7; SolidWood; dirtboy; FreeReign

ping


3 posted on 08/15/2008 9:18:56 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema
If they think it's bad now, the winter is really going to suck!
4 posted on 08/15/2008 9:20:16 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: MarMema

So heartwrenching to read these sad reports from Georgia - one day life is normal - the next day Russian bombs are falling and tanks are coming into your city....and you are an instant refugee.

Almost unbelievable.

Russian thugs - go home!


5 posted on 08/15/2008 9:22:13 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Tony Snow founnd out - to live is Christ, to die is gain....Thanks be to God for Tony's life!)
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To: MarMema

Thugs, criminals and monsters, but some people still will defend the indefensible.


6 posted on 08/15/2008 9:33:51 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: redstateconfidential

The Russians are the scum of the earth. Putin has that “little man” syndrome. He is probably small where it counts so he rolls out the military as compensation. What a worthless steaming sack of yak dung.


7 posted on 08/15/2008 9:36:26 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: shankbear

8 posted on 08/15/2008 9:47:19 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: redstateconfidential

BOO! BOOOO!

That bloody hairless ape in a silk suit is still just a hairless ape in a silk suit!!

If that kluziky ever spoke and I was in the crowd, I’d stand up and turn my back on him just to avoid him....


9 posted on 08/15/2008 10:02:12 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2)
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To: MarMema

MarMema, is there anyway to donate to a decent charity to help those folks to get through the situation?


10 posted on 08/15/2008 10:03:21 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2)
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To: shankbear

The world suffers from the “little man” sydrom. Putin, Achmadinajad, Chavez, Kim Jong-il, dang!


11 posted on 08/15/2008 10:03:39 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: padre35
I guess I would suggest World Vision. If you don't want to do that I know someone in Tbilisi to whom I send money and he hands it out for me. I do a bank transfer and it costs me ten dollars. I trust him completely and have known him for years.

Thank you for caring. I would do almost anything to be there right now. I grit my teeth when I read this stuff. If I had coverage at work, I would be SOOO outtahere and on my way.

12 posted on 08/15/2008 10:08:38 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema

Well, I’m not a rich man by far, but I’d be willing to send some money as long as it directly goes to the Georgian people and not a Aid Agency.

If you have an mail address or something I’ll see what I can do.


13 posted on 08/15/2008 10:11:17 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2)
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To: MarMema
That wouldn't be too hard to substantiate or refute. They have telltale left over signatures. Big crater or little canisters or bomblettes.

I'm skeptic over HRW as they don;t want the use of cluster bombs by any party.

14 posted on 08/15/2008 10:14:46 PM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: MarMema; padre35

Here’s from a World Vision online newsletter. World Vision was also one of the first to act during the Tsunami. They are in place at so many locations in the world and have the resources in place. I also seem to recall that they have a very low overhead.

GEORGIA - World Vision began assisting displaced people in partnership with the World Food Programme (WFP) in the Georgian capital, Tbilisi on Saturday August 9.

World Vision provided essential food and non-food items such as bars of soap, toilet paper, wet napkins, towels, bed sheets, large woolen blankets, and essential food items such as cans of canned meat with vegetables, pasta, canned fish, vegetable oil, iodized salt, among others items to an estimated 170 people, mainly women and children, who escaped the violence from Gori and villages in South Ossetia.

The refugees and internally displaced persons have been arriving at an existing center in Tbilisi that has been home to hundreds of families displaced from Georgia’s other breakaway region of Abkhazia.

“I have seen war, but what I saw today was terrible. I haven’t seen anything like that in my life. I was shocked. What are we going to do now?” asked a shaken and concerned 36-year-old woman, who managed to escape the violence from Gori with her two children.

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has now declared a 15-day “state of war” as clashes continue in South Ossetia and against military targets in Georgia.

World Vision will continue working with WFP and other organizations as more people continue to flee southward toward the Georgian capital.

All World Vision Georgia operations in Georgia, as well as its projects in Abkhazia, have been suspended for the time being, as all efforts are now focused on the humanitarian relief effort.

“UN agencies and NGOs will meet tomorrow [Sunday] to discuss the increasing humanitarian crisis and how the humanitarian actors can coordinate an effective response”, explained David Womble, World Vision Georgia National Director.

World Vision will continue working with WFP and other organisations as more people are expected to flee southward toward the Georgian capital.

Currently, eight Internally Displaced Persons (IDP) locations have been identified. Three are located in the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, and five of them in other districts of the country. These locations have been identified by the Ministry of Refugees and Accommodation, and are currently serving over 2,000 people with the number expected to rise as the violence continues


15 posted on 08/15/2008 10:16:56 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: 21twelve

I have always heard good things about them here, on conservative radio. They have a huge location near me toward Seattle.


16 posted on 08/15/2008 10:19:54 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: padre35
world vision online georgia
17 posted on 08/15/2008 10:21:32 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: redstateconfidential
Look at this

They are not leaving, they are going to say they are peacekeeping.

18 posted on 08/15/2008 10:27:59 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: Jeff Head

ping to my post above


19 posted on 08/15/2008 10:31:32 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema

Since Russia invaded Georgia and occupied the separatist enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, looters and armed gangs in uniform — many of them apparently Ossetians, Chechens and Cossacks — have operated behind the army’s path, ransacking villages largely vacated by fleeing civilians. The push to Igoeti opened a new security vacuum between Gori and here, creating fresh targets for these roaming bands.

One exhausted old man sat on the road. He said he had walked about 65 miles in two days to escape the looters, and had seen burning villages along his path. “It is not going to get better,” he said. He asked that his name not be published, out of fear. Then he stood and limped down the shrinking band of highway between Russian troops and the capital.”
Fine Cossack Tradition.


20 posted on 08/15/2008 10:48:04 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: redstateconfidential
They blocked the highway and said under one interpretation of the peace accord, they could stay there as peacekeepers.

Now what will Bush and Condi do, I wonder?

21 posted on 08/15/2008 10:50:59 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema

That was from Sarkozy’s agreement, it seemed to leave the Russians a loophole. I don’t know, Poti is important, Georgia must have the east or it is nothing. Having presidents and staff in Tbilisi should be a block, but the Russians are digging in for the long haul.


22 posted on 08/15/2008 11:19:35 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: redstateconfidential

They are not going to leave. So what will we do next?


23 posted on 08/15/2008 11:21:35 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema

24 posted on 08/15/2008 11:21:55 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: redstateconfidential

You are sweet.


25 posted on 08/15/2008 11:23:35 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema

Humanitarian aid , support Georgia diplomatically and re-arm Poland ,Ukraine, Baltic states and re-arm Georgia. I don’t know how we will get the Russians out of Gori or Poti, they will keep the “breakaways” even if they pull back. Russia will have to fear something to leave, I don’t see any threat to make them step back. Maybe there is one out there, but the Oil lines are still threatened (which if the West can’t look out for Georgia, perhaps the Oil will make them step towards helping Georgia more pro actively). Poland and its missiles however, may be something that Russia fears, due to their “we smash’em yous” response.


26 posted on 08/15/2008 11:33:00 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: redstateconfidential

Thank you. Very much.


27 posted on 08/16/2008 12:54:23 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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28 posted on 08/16/2008 12:56:45 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema

29 posted on 08/16/2008 12:57:53 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema

Georgian Orthodox priests try to prevent a Georgian man from insulting passing Russian officers in the garrison city of Gori, Georgia.

30 posted on 08/16/2008 12:59:22 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: Jeff Head; SolidWood; dixiechick2000; redstateconfidential
check this out
31 posted on 08/16/2008 1:23:39 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema
Have you seen this? Georgian captives marched through rebel capital

"Dozens of haggard Georgian captives were marched through the South Ossetian capital on Saturday, as officials appealed for Georgia to recover the rotting corpses of its soldiers.

The mostly elderly men -- apparently all civilians -- walked with their heads bowed and their hands behind their backs, escorted by armed guards. Locals stopped to take pictures on their mobile phones. Some pointed and laughed as the detainees marched through Tskhinvali.

One woman said: "Those are the prisoners? But they're just old men!"

Seventeen of the men were brought to the courtyard of the separatist territory's defence ministry to sweep up shards of glass and rubble from the fierce fighting between Georgian forces against Russian troops and separatist rebels last week.

Thirty others were brought to a base on the northern edge of the city, walking through clouds of dust as Mi-8 Russian military helicopters flew low overhead. They were taken to a warehouse to unload food aid for South Ossetians.

As the men were brought out of the cellars of the interior ministry building where they are being held, a soldier whacked one of them on the back of the head.

Many of the men had black eyes and bruises on their faces. "...............
32 posted on 08/16/2008 5:16:11 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: XR7

ping


33 posted on 08/16/2008 9:55:53 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: Girlene

In sharp contrast to the excellent care two downed Russian pilots are getting in Georgia.
Thanks for posting that. I feel sickened by how evil the Russian troops have become.


34 posted on 08/16/2008 9:58:20 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: Girlene; dixiechick2000; autumnraine; SolidWood; Jeff Head; Recovering Ex-hippie
war is absurd
35 posted on 08/16/2008 9:59:57 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema

They were always evil and besides, many of these troops are thugs that Putin conscripted.

Just disgusting. And this is what the apologists are aluding as ‘Well, gosh, what do you expect the Russians to do?”


36 posted on 08/16/2008 10:02:36 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: redstateconfidential

I can see the defenses on DU but on Freeper? disgusting.


37 posted on 08/16/2008 10:03:54 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: MarMema

Thanks for the ping.
I saw this too and thought of you.
Please keep us all up to date with you travel plans.


38 posted on 08/16/2008 10:06:31 AM PDT by XR7
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

?


39 posted on 08/16/2008 10:23:08 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: MarMema

God Bless them, they are trying to save lives, he must listen and watch until help comes or is forced upon the aggressor.
We have no idea really what these people must watch and endure.


40 posted on 08/16/2008 10:26:13 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: redstateconfidential

sorry..that didn’t post right.
I meant, I can see how DU has posts that defend the russians, but it is hard for me to see Freeprs defending russia when those posts go on here. Most of them just don’t have any information other than general media info.


41 posted on 08/16/2008 10:40:21 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; MarMema; All

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200606/russian-soldier/3


42 posted on 08/16/2008 10:42:39 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

OK this is page one of Article.;http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200606/russian-soldier


43 posted on 08/16/2008 10:45:43 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: redstateconfidential

Fascinating and sad. Thank you. I had friends in Moscow who went to great lengths to have their son documented with a heart murmur when he was about 5, to keep him from ever being able to serve. Now I guess I really understand why they did that.


44 posted on 08/16/2008 10:59:50 AM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: redstateconfidential; Islander; MarMema; JasonC; SandRat; FreeReign; Cold Heat; throwback; ...

If you want to see the BEST panel discussion of this...go to CSPAN and search for ‘Georgia” then go to “american Enterprise Institute Panel discussion on Russia and Georgia Military conflict.”

We are trying to get the link posted now!


45 posted on 08/16/2008 11:34:13 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: MarMema

BTW, did you see this?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2062759/posts

Too, thank you for posting the pics.

Just sad...


46 posted on 08/16/2008 9:28:55 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Between Barack and a hard place...)
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