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At Saddleback Church, Obama Fails to Get Back in the Saddle
411mania ^ | August 16, 2008 | Robert Zimmer

Posted on 08/16/2008 8:03:28 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter

McCain Shines While Obama’s Magic Appears to Have Been Left on Vacation

On Saturday night, Senator Barack Obama and his rival for the presidency, Senator John McCain, both appeared at Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback Church to discuss the intersection of government and policy with faith and values. Before a nationally televised audience, Pastor Warren quizzed Obama and McCain (separately) about personal failings and the failings of America; abortion; the definition of marriage; social policy; and the relationship of faith-based charitable organizations vis-à-vis the government.

This was Obama's first high-profile public appearance after his weeklong Hawaiian vacation. He appeared first and though apparently in good spirits and rested, Obama was curiously listless, uninspiring, and in some cases simply boring with his legalistic, impersonal responses to deeply personal, profound – and fair – questions from Pastor Warren. McCain, in contrast, was crisp, funny, relaxed, focused, and seemingly genuine. At 71, McCain's energy onstage easily eclipsed the sleepy, professorial manner of Obama. McCain was specific and personal in discussing ideas and himself; Obama droned on in generalized, boilerplate banalities that shed no light on the nature of the man speaking. McCain could barely wait for Warren to finish his questions before pouncing and demonstrating an ease in wrapping his mind around any topic; Obama stuttered haltingly through his hour, his detachment making him appear more like a merely above-average law professor. A clear moral center and a clear set of governing principles seemed to emerge organically from McCain, whereas one got the sense that Obama is more comfortable with spirituality and morality as an abstract, intellectual zone where there is no wrong or right, merely a variety of interesting arguments.

Democrats should be concerned, and Republicans encouraged, as Senator Obama has looked smaller and distracted ever since his highly successful trip to the Middle East and Europe. Obama had little gravitas tonight when the moment required it. McCain looked not only like a president, but a man whom you can admire even if you don't agree with him on everything. It is increasingly difficult to tell what Obama's campaign is about, besides itself and oh, yeah, some basic boilerplate Democratic stuff.

The Obama who showed up tonight is going to lose to the McCain that showed up tonight if Obama doesn't shake off his ennui and wake back up. Summer vacation is over for Obama, and for most Americans soon as well. The American public generally starts to pay closer attention to presidential elections after Labor Day, which means Obama's campaign has some time to recalibrate. The Obama campaign should be glad most people were watching the Olympics on Saturday night. It was one of Obama's worst nights and John McCain's best of the campaign.


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KEYWORDS: 2008; mccain; obama; rickwarren; saddleback
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1 posted on 08/16/2008 8:03:28 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

>>>Obama was curiously listless, uninspiring, and in some cases simply boring with his legalistic, impersonal responses to deeply personal, profound – and fair – questions from Pastor Warren.<<<

unbelievable!

if i were al obama, i’d be worried about her thighness.


2 posted on 08/16/2008 8:04:50 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: ken21
SaddleBrokeback Church
3 posted on 08/16/2008 8:07:00 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude () ......Pelosi + Reid = $ 4.00 per gallon......()
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I think the wheels are starting to come off the Obamawagon.

Reality and his sleazy past are starting to overshadow “Hope”, “Change”, and “Yes, we can.”

Hilary just might pull it off at the Convention. The buyers’ remorse is really starting to bite and the contest isn’t even in the home stretch.


4 posted on 08/16/2008 8:08:26 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

McCain is whitebread. Obama is toast.


5 posted on 08/16/2008 8:08:36 PM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Obama had a Brokeback moment.


6 posted on 08/16/2008 8:08:40 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

A lot of us work in jobs that require decision making, quick responses and lots of common sense. Obama could never make it in our jobs. What a poor candidate the Dems have chosen.


7 posted on 08/16/2008 8:10:04 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
McCain outdid preconceived ideas.

He actually kicked butt.

If this had be a ten rounder McCain would have won an overwhelming decision.

8 posted on 08/16/2008 8:10:07 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMA aka Post Turtle the Forest Gump of American Politics ABORTION -Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

BO did well but lacked 2 things: character and experience.


9 posted on 08/16/2008 8:10:08 PM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I think Obama was taking the last of his ludes


10 posted on 08/16/2008 8:10:14 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom Cracker power Brother)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Obama seem to be doing a lot of leaning away from Warren.

Subconscious body language?


11 posted on 08/16/2008 8:11:57 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: ken21
"if i were al obama, i’d be worried about her thighness"

if i were al obama, i’d be worried about all those who contributed $200mill and want their money back....reneging on $200mill is a biggie.

12 posted on 08/16/2008 8:13:05 PM PDT by spokeshave (Hey GOP...NO money till border closed and criminal illegals deported and the drilling starts.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I have to agree, while watching this “debate” I was alternately hollaring at the TV durig the Obama segment and actually cheering McCain....for the first time.


13 posted on 08/16/2008 8:13:09 PM PDT by FlashBack (www.proudpatriots.org/www.woundedwarriorproject.org/www.moveamericaforward.org)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

John McCain blew the pup out of the water tonight. I’m telling you it was just refreshing to hear him give straight answers.
No equivocation, no over explaination about how he was not a mean ole conservative which for the longest time was President Bush’s biggest fault. I don’t think I’ve ever felt so proud to support McCain as I did tonight. I walked several miles for him today going door to door and listening to those who said they were going to grudgingly vote for him. It is nice to see McCain riding tall. Now let’s get out there and make this man President and give him a Senate against the media, against the liberals and against the bitter libertarians who seem only happy when impaled on their own swords.


14 posted on 08/16/2008 8:13:11 PM PDT by Maelstorm (John McCain is ready to be commander in chief)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

He blinked and looked away a lot...


15 posted on 08/16/2008 8:13:27 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Lady GOP
Obama spent 1 hour in church and never mentioned Rev Wright, his spirtual advisor, the man who married him, and baptised his children.
16 posted on 08/16/2008 8:14:05 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Stonewall Jackson
He sure did seem to stumble tonight. Or just maybe this is what he's all about.
Now that we are getting him forced down our throats, at every turn, we are
seeing the real, Barry for a change.
17 posted on 08/16/2008 8:14:25 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude () ......Pelosi + Reid = $ 4.00 per gallon......()
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To: ThreePuttinDude

lol!

yeah, maybe people here on the forum are right that the election will be over in august.

obama’s trip to europe, hawaii, and his first excursion from the secular into the religious have not gone very well!


18 posted on 08/16/2008 8:14:30 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Is this a plan to pass the deal?
barbra ann


19 posted on 08/16/2008 8:15:06 PM PDT by barb-tex ( A prudent man (more so for a woman) foreseeth the evil and hideth him self)
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To: al baby
I think Obama was taking the last of his ludes

Scary, isn't it ?

20 posted on 08/16/2008 8:15:13 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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