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Russia: Georgia plans "provocative act" in Gori
Reuters ^ | Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:52pm BST

Posted on 08/17/2008 8:41:17 AM PDT by maquiladora

MOSCOW, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Russia's Defence Ministry said on Sunday that Georgia was planning a "major provocative act" in the Georgian town of Gori...

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: georgia; gori; russia; war
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1 posted on 08/17/2008 8:41:18 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora

Is it going to be XXX rated?


2 posted on 08/17/2008 8:43:10 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: maquiladora
The Russians are so absolutely, pathetically transparent. Like a rabid dog.

Anything that happens in Gori...where they are in control at the moment, will clearly be instigated by them...like this entire event was.


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3 posted on 08/17/2008 8:45:11 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Isn’t any act by Georgia (in its own territory) by definition defensive?


4 posted on 08/17/2008 8:50:03 AM PDT by G.Love (FREE LAZ!)
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To: maquiladora
Russia's Defence Ministry, highlighting continued high tension between the two countries, said Georgia was planning a "major provocative act" in Gori -- a city captured by Russian forces on Tuesday as they fanned out from the disputed South Ossetian region into the Georgian heartland.

It gave no details.

- http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL768040420080817

5 posted on 08/17/2008 8:56:21 AM PDT by maquiladora
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In the russian mindset,
if I stick my hand down inside your pants;
and then you slap my face;
you are provoking me.


6 posted on 08/17/2008 8:56:29 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: maquiladora
"Hey world! Georgia's planning to hit my fist with her face at recess tomorrow! Don't blame me when it happens!"

Meet the new Bear; same as the old Bear. The left must be in full leg-tingle.

Mr. niteowl77

7 posted on 08/17/2008 8:56:40 AM PDT by niteowl77 (If you push too hard, you won't believe what happens next.)
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To: maquiladora

But, but, but I thought Russia was leaving on monday............ As one state department head said, using the words promise and russia in the same sentence is an oxymoron and mixes like oil and water.For Russia to say this now means they plan to say for “security” reasons. That is, after they carry out more atrocities.


8 posted on 08/17/2008 8:59:19 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: maquiladora

Welcome to the new Cold War. Hope it doesn’t turn hot.


9 posted on 08/17/2008 9:00:14 AM PDT by Humvee (Beliefs are more powerful than facts - Paulus Atreides)
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To: maquiladora

Which means Russia is planning a provocative act they can blame on Georgia and serve as an excuse for not withdrawing from Georgian territory.


10 posted on 08/17/2008 9:01:51 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: maquiladora

Isn’t the statue of Stalin in Gori, his hometown? Hauling it down and then blaming Georgians might be the impetus for more ‘action’ by the Darth Putin. (Why the Georgians haven’t yanked it to the ground sooner is a puzzler in itself)


11 posted on 08/17/2008 9:04:09 AM PDT by CARTOUCHE
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To: maquiladora
Russia's Defence Ministry said on Sunday that Georgia was planning a "major provocative act" in the Georgian town of Gori...

Mind you, Russian troops in Gori isn't a major provocative act according to the Russians.

As I said before, Russian foreign policy is to feel up your wife, and if you complain they rape your daughter in retaliation for your impertinence.

12 posted on 08/17/2008 9:04:15 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: Truth29

And it will be done by Russians disguised as Georgians for additional deniability.


13 posted on 08/17/2008 9:05:15 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Jeff Head

That’s a terrific post you put together there, Jeff! Very informative and excellently organized.


14 posted on 08/17/2008 9:05:19 AM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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To: rodney2
What we did in Kosovo was wrong. What the Russians are doing here is wrong.

As to atrocities, I have corresponded with and read just as convincing stories from the other side. Those stories speak of Ossetians shelling a Gerogian village after the intital cease-fire...which the Georgians then correctly construed as a violation and attacked.

Observers who have gotten into the break-away capital have already called into serious question the Russian claims...surprise, surprise.

I believe the Gerogian story for very simple and direct reasons.

1st, the Russians have great interests in maintaining control of the tunnel that exits the Caucasus mountains, and a sea approach into Georgia that is unopposed. They do so with the two seperatist, and they hope to be soon independent provinces. They have supported those movements for just these obvious reasons and not out of care for the people's there.

It is a geopolitical gambit to allow direct and immediate access into Georgia and the Caspian region and its resources.

2nd, the Russians were prepared far too quickly with their supposed "retalitory" actions. Putting together that much armor and troops, and the amphibious and naval operations that soon followed is not accomplished in a day or two. Those things had to be in motion for weeks beforehand.

Yet the Russians were ready to go within hours of the Georgians pushing north into South Ossetia. Clearly, the Russians had this planned well before the Georgians ever attacked.

I have no doubts at this point that the Russians helped and urged the Ossetians to attack, and goaded the Gerogians into coming north precisely so they could use it as a pretext for their military actions. Stories that try and view it as something different or being encouraged by the Russians and used as propoganda.

I also have no doubts because it all happened when it did, with the start of the Olympics. That was not just coincidence either.

People's who put their faith and trust in Putin and his ilk are misguided at best, and complicit with his aims at worst. He is not altruistic, and he is not "protecting" them. He is advancing his own plans for power and using naked aggression to do so.

Luckily, the Georgians held out long enough for the Presidents of Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, and Lithuania to arrive in Tiblisi before the Russians could get theere, and before they could kill the Georgian President which they were trying to do. That was one of the most couragous things I have seen done by a group of national leaders in my lifetime...and it worked.

Coupling that with Washington's strong response and Bush now sending the US military to spearhead humanitarian efforts for the Georgians...and at the same time provide a de facto military shield, has to this point halted the Russina military gambit.

The situation is still tense and a crisis for sure, but I believe now that Georgia will survive a free country.

If the populations of the two porvinces vote to go their own way, unfortunately, because of the immoral debacle we committed in Kosovo, I believe the UN will go along, as will the Russians of course, and Georgia will be deprived of those critical areas for its own defense.

The answer to this will likely be the US and Western Europe seriously upgrading and modernizing Georgia's military, her admission into NATO, and probably US or NATO bases in Georgia to ensure that she is not cut asunder by the Russian capability to at will come through that tunnel and land troops on the shore, all south of the Caucasus.

But make no mistake, the weaponry that the Georgians will utlimately receive in such a scenario, will allow them to do what they could not do this go around...that is target and bring down the tunnel, and target and oppose landing that would otherwise threaten them.

In addition to that, which will work against Putin's designs, there will also be other unintended consequences like the treaty Poland just signed, probably Ukraine's admittance into NATO as well as Ukraine severly restricting the Russian Black Sea fleet use of the base at Sevastapol, and other former satellites much more quickly and solidly being driven into the westen republics camp.

I am willing to bet that the Georgia President wins re-election in a landslide.

16 posted on 08/17/2008 9:10:19 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: rodney2

Yes I understand, Vlad. You want to blame every Russian crime on America.


17 posted on 08/17/2008 9:10:26 AM PDT by inkling
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To: maquiladora
A typical case of poor journalism.
It is literally a one-sentence article,
and yet the reporter managed to make it difficult to understand the facts.
The caption is: "Georgia plans a provocative act";
while the russian quote is: "Georgia was planning a provocative act".
So it is impossible to tell if this is a past or future event.
Most people who claim to be journalists are worthless.
18 posted on 08/17/2008 9:11:32 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: maquiladora

Oil-&-Gazprom-Czar Putin is an arrogant and pompous bully with nukes. (Not a pleasant thought!) He also seems to to think that the people and leaders of the free-world are idiots, who, when faced with the dichotomy of the truth verses his parvenu perfidity, will see things his way if given the opportunity. I certainly hope he’s in for a big surprise.


19 posted on 08/17/2008 9:12:41 AM PDT by downtownconservative (Intelligence sans reason is vainglorious pulp)
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To: Jeff Head; All
"The crisis was sparked earlier this week when Georgia sent troops into the breakaway province of South Ossetia to quell a Russian-backed separatist uprising."
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Russia-On-Verge-Of-All-Out-War-As-Troops-Clash-In-Georgias-South-Ossetia/Article/200808215074261?lpos=World%2BNews_4&lid=ARTICLE_15074261_Russia%2BOn%2BVerge%2BOf%2BAll-Out%2BWar%2BAs%2BTroops%2BClash%2BIn%2BGeo

"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html

From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html

20 posted on 08/17/2008 9:15:18 AM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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