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Michigan poll: Obama 46, McCain 39(Romney, Lieberman, Pawlenty won't save McCain!!)
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Posted on 08/21/2008 10:03:46 PM PDT by maccaca

Independents, women and Wayne County voters helped boost Democrat Barack Obama to a 7-point lead over Republican John McCain in the presidential race in Michigan, according to a Detroit Free Press-Local 4 Michigan Poll conducted this week. Obama's 46% to 39% statewide advantage is especially aided by a 39-point bulge among voters in Wayne County, including Detroit. Elsewhere in metro Detroit and outstate, Sens. McCain and Obama are virtually tied, according to the poll of 600 likely voters. Twelve percent are undecided and 3% support third-party candidates. Obama has significantly more support among voters younger than 35 and an 11-point lead among women statewide. Among men, the two candidates are virtually tied. Several other recent polls had shown the race tightening in Michigan, which is among a half dozen or so battleground states expected to decide the presidential race. The state has 17 electoral votes.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; detroit; electionpresident; mi208; obama
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McCain can't break 45% nation wide despite Obama's slipping numbers. He should not be tempted to choose conventional VP such as Romney/Pawlenty to anticipate a win.

Choose Sarah Palin, please

1 posted on 08/21/2008 10:03:46 PM PDT by maccaca
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To: maccaca

I don’t think he would win MI if he picked Steve Yzerman as his running mate. MI just might be another “lost cause” kind of state, a la NY and CA.


2 posted on 08/21/2008 10:07:25 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Sarah Palin can be my running mate anytime.)
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To: maccaca

Well tomorrow (?) will let us know who Obamessiah has picked. Strategies will have to be somewhat adjusted at that point.

I’m sure McCain is watching closely. I hope he gets good advice and picks wisely.


3 posted on 08/21/2008 10:07:39 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: maccaca

This is McCain Crap again! Maccaca is a liberal who never answers a single question about his posts!


4 posted on 08/21/2008 10:12:08 PM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: maccaca

Romney will deliver Michigan for McCain. Of course with the help our Lord and our prayers.

Thank you Heavenly Father in Jesus name!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 08/21/2008 10:15:32 PM PDT by Lily4Jesus ( Jesus Saves)
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To: GauchoUSA
My impression is that liberal and progressive supporters of Marxist Obama are more afraid of Mitt as McCain's veep, than of any other potential veep candidate.

I can't back this up. It's just an impression I get from talking to many liberals.

6 posted on 08/21/2008 10:18:50 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: maccaca
This was a Detroit Free Press-Local 4 Michigan Poll. Over the years, I have noticed that polls commissioned/conducted by local entities tend to be less accurate than polls conducted by the big nationally known pollsters. They also tend to fluctuate wildly.

I don't think McCain is going to carry Michigan...but I would not take this poll too seriously.

7 posted on 08/21/2008 10:20:15 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: maccaca
Maccaca's tagline could be "whistling past the graveyard."

He is fumbling around for reasons John McCain isn't going to win. Do I smell a troll?

vaudine

8 posted on 08/21/2008 10:22:06 PM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: Seaplaner

Exactly, in our minds the most obvious choice stands between Romney and Pawlenty.


9 posted on 08/21/2008 10:25:00 PM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: goldfinch

wrong. This poll was conducted by that renowed Iowa pollster(can’t recall her name) who nailed Iowa caucuses and MI primaries.

I’m afraid that Mccain will go with the coventional VP candidate which will sure doom his opportunity in Nov.

Choose Sarah Palin, please...


10 posted on 08/21/2008 10:28:59 PM PDT by maccaca (puma)
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To: GOP_Raider

And not just because he’s Canadian :)


11 posted on 08/21/2008 10:34:49 PM PDT by cw35
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To: goldfinch

This was actually done by an independent pollster. She had the most accurate polls in the primaries, and is ranked #1 on 538.com. She uses a different model than other pollsters that predicts increased dem turnout, and sadly she was correct in most cases.

Hopefully the McCain campaign will write off MI, and as a result, write of Mittens as VP and pick someone who can actually help.


12 posted on 08/21/2008 10:36:43 PM PDT by buckeye12
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To: maccaca
I concur. Sarah Palin would be a stroke of genius.
13 posted on 08/21/2008 10:37:33 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: All
And why should we care about Michigan. Michigan has not voted Rep since 1988(Bush v Dukakis).

We need FA, NC, VA, OH.

14 posted on 08/21/2008 10:41:29 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: vaudine
maccaca

Since Jun 16, 2008

Yep. And they are getting tiresome.

15 posted on 08/21/2008 10:41:41 PM PDT by JennysCool (A man who served his country well vs. a walking Che poster. Is it really that tough a choice?)
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To: maccaca
Perhaps most striking is Obama's 17-point edge among independent voters -- a bloc McCain has cultivated since he first ran for president in 2000.

Sounds very suspicious to me.

16 posted on 08/21/2008 10:42:45 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: JennysCool

Not sure about maccaca status. But I like his choice for VP, however she might be better on the ticket in 2012.


17 posted on 08/21/2008 10:46:26 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: comebacknewt

The more northern you go, the more left-leaning the independents are. That is to say that new england independents are really democrats, and that counts for some midwestern states like MN, WI, and MI.

I really don’t pay much attention to polls, but this particular pollster is usually spot on.


18 posted on 08/21/2008 10:46:31 PM PDT by buckeye12
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To: comebacknewt

well,anybody that would vote for obama is a communist or stupid,and this so-called poll is BS,like most other pro-lib media garbage, anybody with enough gumtion to vote won’t waste it on obama


19 posted on 08/21/2008 10:48:53 PM PDT by coalman (type to slow to be relevant,but I try)
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To: maccaca

I’m curious, do you think McCain will gain significant puma (which I’m assuming you are, given your tagline and posting history) votes in the election if, and only if, he picks a female VP?


20 posted on 08/21/2008 10:49:39 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: maccaca

Michigan has strong racial tension in the Detroit area, but has been in an economic depression for some time. It depends on whether one votes on the (local) economy for the socialist, or one votes on their racial hangups for the moderate.


21 posted on 08/21/2008 10:51:49 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: maccaca

I think McCain could win Michigan but he is going to have to run one hell of an attack machine there to do it. The message I’d be running in places like Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania is one that slams the Democrats for their over regulation and threats of high taxation which is driving companies out of state and out of the country. McCain should adopt and trumpet ideas that help create a pro-business environment and state he will work with governors to help them create business friendly solutions to their problems like promoting tax breaks to keep companies here at home. I’d even promote a new start program to let people deduct the cost of relocation for a new job and the first down payment on a new apartment etc so that people can have the flexibility to move and go where the jobs and recoup that cost.

There are a lot of creative ideas to help people better survive in the modern economy. He should also hit the inner cities with school choice, charter schools, and merit pay to make sure our kids have access to the best schools regardless of color. I know across this nation many kids are being segregated into school districts putting poorer minorities into schools designed to fail. If John McCain talks this issue with conviction. He can win votes. It is also important in the Hispanic community.

I’d also recommend John McCain spend time in churches speaking of his convictions and I’d bring up the ACLU over and over again. There is a lot of opportunity for Republicans to win but you need to make the case. You need to differentiate. Here’s where I stand, here is where he stands the most liberal senator in the Senate and 86% rating from the ACLU.

I’d make a commercial called Radicals. Tie in Ayers but list the the other radical groups he is associated with and who support him and who are attending the Democrat convention.
It would be perfect to run during the convention because the current crop of Democrats are the most radically liberal since the left first took over the Democrat party.

John McCain needs to continue to run as a archetypal Hero.
I’d even make a commercial. Protecting the innocent fighting for the weak...on and on. It is those archetypes that are at play. They stick in people’s minds and stand out.


22 posted on 08/21/2008 10:54:34 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: maccaca

Name me one state that Palin will help carry outside of Alaska and maybe not even Alaska? Hmmmmm? She is a lightweight unknown.


23 posted on 08/21/2008 10:57:07 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: maccaca

Is “Wayne County voters” just a cute way for TIME magazine to refer to black voters in Detroit, or am I missing something?


24 posted on 08/21/2008 11:00:39 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Liberalism is a tax on humanity)
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To: maccaca

Back to DU, crazy.


25 posted on 08/21/2008 11:03:35 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (Welcome home, former McCain haters and rageaholics!)
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To: GauchoUSA
You nailed him. He scouts the Internet looking for a poll to trash McCain with. The Detroit Free press is a far leftist rag !
26 posted on 08/21/2008 11:04:49 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: maccaca

The chickens haven’t hatched yet. Don’t count McCain out.


27 posted on 08/21/2008 11:12:07 PM PDT by Salvation (<a href="http://www.universalis.com/20080821/vespers.htm">)
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To: teletech

She probably is (Puma). The BO kooks pratically shouted Hillarys supporters into a corner on DU and they appear to be mad. What I can find out on Palin record looks good but not much out there right now.

While I dont think she would hurt the ticket I dont show her helping to carry and state. Reason, my money right now is Hilliary will be on the ticket.


28 posted on 08/21/2008 11:17:10 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: buckeye12
"New Jersey Independents" are largely Democrats who don't want to fill out the entire form. NJ actually has more independents than members of either party, but they are operationally democratic.

If the state made it as simple as checking a box at the top, the Dems would have the largest total.

29 posted on 08/21/2008 11:19:40 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: buckeye12
Rasmussen: McCain up 41-37 with Indies in Michigan

PPP (D): Obama up 42-38 with Indies in Michigan.

Quinniapiac: McCain up 44-41 with Indies in Michigan.

Detroit News: McCain up 4 (no firm number) with Indies in Michigan.

This poll, Obama up 17 with Indies in Michigan.

Again, seems very, very suspicious to me.

30 posted on 08/21/2008 11:22:08 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: Clemenza
GA is like that as well. Since we threw Carter out we have been voting more and more Rep on the national scene every year. But locally is die hard Dem 100%.

So in the primaries if I want to actually vote I have to change my registration to Dem and yes I raise he ll.

The ladies don't know what to think when I tell them I am being discriminated against(jokingly of course).

31 posted on 08/21/2008 11:28:21 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: maccaca

“most accurate poster but I can’t recall their name”

“they nailed Iowa Cuacus”

Who gives a rat’s ass about the D Iowa caucus?

The most accurate pollster all-time is Gallup. They lean towards the Dems.

In the last 10 years Rasmussen has been the most accurate. He leans toward the Republicans.

Both Gallup and Rasmussen have been way off in a given election but overall they have been the best.

That is what we should look at.


32 posted on 08/21/2008 11:32:04 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: GauchoUSA

maccaca joined FR June 12, 2008. He is a troll.


33 posted on 08/21/2008 11:36:05 PM PDT by kabar
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To: fieldmarshaldj

BTTT


34 posted on 08/21/2008 11:45:46 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: comebacknewt

In the 2006 elections, the governor of MI won independents by exactly 17 points. Its not too far of a stretch to think that another dem could do the same.


35 posted on 08/22/2008 12:04:11 AM PDT by buckeye12
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To: buckeye12
No, not too far a stretch to think it is possible. I'm just very skeptical that it is so far out of whack with every other pollster out there.

To win Michigan, McCain needs 55-60% of the White vote to go along with 8-10% of the black vote. Not an easy thing to do. That is why Barack is favored, but definitely not impossible.

Welcome to FR by the way.

36 posted on 08/22/2008 12:14:31 AM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: FReepers

Please beware of soft-shoe propaganda being posted here.

It would serve the left well to convince you that McCain “will probably lose”.

Because you are hopeful, even a little anxious, you are more susceptible to them trying to put small dents in your confidence—the left is ingenious when it comes to breaking down confidence in human beings.

I don’t know much about maccaca but please stay alert and don’t assume the premise is reality just because it is posted here at FreeRepublic.

This article came from Time.com with the help from CNN—a big RED flag from the get-go.


37 posted on 08/22/2008 12:41:53 AM PDT by Boucheau
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To: maccaca
Hey! Thanks for the reassurance!

I was afraid all this negativity surrounding the Messiah's prospects might buffalo the supers into forcing him to choose the Hildebeest as VP (not that she'd accept) or maybe even into stealing the nomination for her (that would be bad: popcorn is fattening! plate glass is expensive!).

Yes, choose Sarah Palin! Give the PUMAs an alternative!

38 posted on 08/22/2008 12:56:37 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: jonrick46

i wish she would give me a stroke of genius


39 posted on 08/22/2008 1:12:56 AM PDT by Disciplinemisanthropy (fantasy hockey, anyone?)
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To: buckeye12

Spoken like a true Buckeye.


40 posted on 08/22/2008 3:14:06 AM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: GauchoUSA

maccaca joined FR June 12, 2008. Has anyone told the Mod’s about this troll.


41 posted on 08/22/2008 3:29:55 AM PDT by BellStar (Human Beings are proof...God has a sense of humor!)
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To: Lily4Jesus
Romney will deliver Michigan for McCain. Of course with the help our Lord and our prayers.

And if McCain wins, dies while office, we wined up with a flaming Liberal as President.

42 posted on 08/22/2008 4:07:23 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: maccaca
No state has suffered more from RATs than Michigan, except possibly NJ.

Why do they keep winning?

43 posted on 08/22/2008 4:08:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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To: maccaca

Guess the folks in Michigan think their vaunted governor Granholm is doing a bang up job and want more of the same nationally.


44 posted on 08/22/2008 4:18:25 AM PDT by Carley
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To: maccaca

If socialist policies on the local and state level have put Michigan in a depression, maybe we just need to try those same policies on a national level. Sure, it won’t help Michigan, but they’ll at least feel better when the rest of us share their pain.


45 posted on 08/22/2008 4:20:41 AM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: Jim Noble
No state has suffered more from RATs than Michigan, except possibly NJ. Why do they keep winning?

Probably many of the same reasons some women stay with abusive husbands.

46 posted on 08/22/2008 4:23:00 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (The first amendment doesn't end with "...as long as nobody is offended.")
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To: maccaca

wow, an actual comment, how come you usually only post an article without any comments, you have hundreds of posts and like three actual commnets, whats the deal?


47 posted on 08/22/2008 4:25:04 AM PDT by edzo4 (Vote McCain, Keep Your Change)
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To: All

Troll alert

check it out

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:maccaca/index?brevity=full;tab=comments


48 posted on 08/22/2008 4:27:00 AM PDT by edzo4 (Vote McCain, Keep Your Change)
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To: edzo4

Looks to me like the link to this “story” is dead or nonexistent.


49 posted on 08/22/2008 4:31:24 AM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: maccaca
maccaca 2008-6-16

The liberals/communists are absolutely terrified by Romney! So we'll keep getting their squeeling...always louder the closer we get.

50 posted on 08/22/2008 4:32:42 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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