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Are Oil Prices Rigged?
Time.com ^ | Friday, Aug. 22, 2008 | Ari J. Officer and Garrett J. Hayes

Posted on 08/22/2008 6:05:20 AM PDT by 300magnum

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Ya, I think I did...yours came up by default for some reason. Sorry about that. I’m new to this site.


61 posted on 08/24/2008 5:36:11 PM PDT by chrisj6
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Chrisj6,

Maybe we are talking past one another. I shall still argue that I got your point. I just don’t agree with your conclusions. I’ll try to put the oil market in perspective as best I can. Speculation in oil futures adds almost nothing to the price of oil because futures trading is a zero sum game. It is like a poker game in which money is won only by others loosing. At the end of the game the same amount of money is on the table; it has merely changed hands.

Perhaps most importantly, the total amount of speculative trading (that is, hedge funds, etc) is only a tiny fraction of total contracts bought and sold by producers and refiners. Therefore, their impact could not possibly be large when you realize that annual world oil sales total about $3.4 trillion dollars. Your arguments about how small the futures markets are, undermines the very thesis that they have a powerful influence over prices.

The actual sale of oil takes place in a global auction in six major centers around the world, which are logically the major refining and distribution centers, in which thousands of trades take place simultaneously. These are completely free markets and are not “rigged” simply because it is not possible to rig them. The market is simply too large and diversified for that to happen. Keep in mind that in these auctions there are actual sellers who have oil to sell, mostly government-owned oil companies. Most of the buyers are independent oil companies, primarily refiners. A unified manipulation is possible only in the wildest of conspiracy theory.

The actual sale of oil does not take place by means of futures contracts, but rather spot market contract sales. These contract sales can be for immediate delivery, or delivery at a future time, in which case they are called forward contracts. What distinguishes forward from futures is that forward are binding commitments to make and take delivery. With futures actual delivery almost never takes place. Contract sales are for “cargoes,” that is ship or barge loads of oil or in some cases amounts delivered via pipeline.

So, what is the futures market ultimately all about? Its about hedging one’s bets on future price. Futures serve as a price signal about where the price is likely headed, and most importantly for actual oil traders, futures trading serves the function of leveling out both gains and losses; in other words futures trading actually stabilizes prices for traders. To blame those who speculate with futures is plain wrong.

And finally, I’d like to clarify BobbyT’s point about Ford. What he meant was that Ford shareholders obviously want to make money in the stock market, but the Ford Corporation itself cannot affect it’s own quarterly profits by simply tikering with stocks. The stock values are based on the P/E ratio, book value, etc. not visa-versa.

Anyway, I’m worn out. Have a nice day.


62 posted on 08/24/2008 6:18:06 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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