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US reviewing 'entire relationship' with Russia: White House
Breitbart ^ | Aug 25 02:12 PM | AFP

Posted on 08/25/2008 11:47:31 AM PDT by homeguard

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: evilempire; geopolitics; georgia; kgb; moscow; ossetia; putin; russia; statedept
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1 posted on 08/25/2008 11:47:31 AM PDT by homeguard
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To: homeguard
Putin is going to find that the continuing consequences of his agression will sooner or later drive him form office.

GEORGIA CONFLICT 2008

2 posted on 08/25/2008 11:50:51 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: homeguard

It would be cool to arm and train the former Soviet bloc countries to invade Russia.


3 posted on 08/25/2008 11:56:30 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: Jeff Head

Not so sure about that Jeff. I do not think Putin is acting alone on this one.Is he orchestrating it, most definitely, but, he seems to have the ear of others. I for one think this conflict will escalate especialy after the statement earlier from Moscow about reinvading if Georgia military reorganizes. There is far more going on than what we are told.


4 posted on 08/25/2008 11:56:41 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: Jeff Head

You sure? He seems to have a pretty firm grip on power, especially after he restructered the Russian Government to accomodate his switching from Pres to PM


5 posted on 08/25/2008 11:57:40 AM PDT by Crazieman (Vote Juan McAmnesty in 2008! Because freedom abroad is more important than freedom at home!)
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To: homeguard

this could get interesting with the space industry. the US needs to push hard for private, US based space flight. There’s a little company out there that has the Dream Chaser, which is an original NASA design of a small version of the shuttle.

www.spacedev.com

Depending on Russia for manned space flight is a bad idea.


6 posted on 08/25/2008 11:57:50 AM PDT by spacejunkie
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To: Crazieman; eastforker
That's why I said sooner or later.

Yes he has a firm grip on power, and yes this is a part of a bigger game. But, ultimately these moves and what they lead to are going to bring more and more isolation and harship to the Russian people and sooner or later it will catch up to Putin and his cronies.

7 posted on 08/25/2008 12:02:29 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: homeguard
Looks to me as if Russia wants to keep Poti. Actually it would be all of South Ossetia and then for the southern portion of S.O. due west to Poti and all territory north to the Russian Border.

That would be about half of all of Georgia.

8 posted on 08/25/2008 12:03:37 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

Guess it would be too much to expect a little help from our British counterparts huh? They’re too busy cowtowing to the Muslims in their country to realize just how threatened their own little Isle really is!


9 posted on 08/25/2008 12:06:37 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: homeguard

Well, if America was looking for a reason to bring the military back to world strength, from when Clintoon gutted it in the 90s, I think we have it. Unless Hussein wins, in which case we aren’t going to do anything for the breakaway republics.


10 posted on 08/25/2008 12:07:24 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: princess leah

Western europe is just adopting the same rules their muslim sharia law brothers do. Blame the person that gets raped, not the rapist.


11 posted on 08/25/2008 12:31:54 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: spacejunkie
Depending on Russia for manned space flight is a bad idea.

Bump!

Your'e preaching to the choir here.

Its the White House which still hasn't learned its lessons. Just not very energetic at protecting America's long term technological vitality...


12 posted on 08/25/2008 12:45:41 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Jeff Head
I wonder if Russia is being played here also. Since they are supporting South Ossetia’s independence, would they be as supportive when or if North Ossetia turns on them to merge with the south to become the Country of Ossetia?
13 posted on 08/25/2008 12:59:43 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: eastforker
There is far more going on than what we are told.

Oh, I agree.

I think as winter approaches for Europe, we will see all kinds of chits called in by Russia, including those in Iran and Venezuela.

Another tri-legged Axis is forming.

Russia could use winter's cold again, as it has in the past, to squash opposition from its Gazprom-dependent European neighbors.

It could gain points from the Muslim world by coordinating that with anti-blasphemy laws.

Anatli Golitsyn, a KGB defector, wrote two books in the 1980s warning of the resurgence of Russia and Communism, New Lies for Old and The Perestoika Deception.

We may be seeing the implemetation of a long term strategy.

14 posted on 08/25/2008 1:29:49 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Jeff Head
Makes one wonder how long all those Russian billionaires will put up with Vladimir's shenanigans?

They just might decide that he's bad for business.

15 posted on 08/25/2008 1:46:08 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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These were the top players in Russia last year. Image from Stratfor.

Putin and the Siloviki Clan I believe were the right hand block in 2007. The Technocrats being led by Medvedev I believe were in the left block. There is also some rivalry between Gazprom and Rosneft (energy giants). At the end of 2007 some thought that the Medvedev Technocrats (more classically liberal) would be able to assert power from Putin, but now it looks as if the Putin Siloviki Clan has established itself supreme. My guess is that with Western Investment falling, Birthrates falling and Oil Production falling, the Siloviki have convinced the Technocrats that the time for Conquer and Conquest is at hand.

16 posted on 08/25/2008 2:10:44 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: princess leah
I would think the Turks would be very helpful. Part of our nuke inventory that is at Incirlik Air Base is assigned to Turkish aircraft, not US.

Betcha THAT gives the Ruskies a chill.

17 posted on 08/25/2008 2:34:17 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: homeguard
Condi Rice is *very* disappointed.

Cheers!

18 posted on 08/25/2008 6:35:44 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: homeguard
Only the cut of the suit has changed. Russia remains the enemy of the free world.


19 posted on 08/25/2008 7:51:42 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: homeguard; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; george76; forkinsocket; F15Eagle; Calpernia; LucyT
Strategically speaking, Russia will not likely seek to wage a running battle with the US in Georgia. There is no gain for Russia. All Russia has to do is consolidate its control of Poti and all territory East to S. Ossetia.Thats pretty much a done deal.

What we have to really be concerned about is a resurgence of Russia/Argentina/Cuba influence in the Caribbean with a huge influx of naval and air resources right on our own doorstep. Much of our military hardware is in the ME and tied down there.

In the Pacific we can expect a renewed initiative on the part of China to increase its military hegemony over Taiwan, and the general areas all the way from the Philippines up to North Korea.

We have all this to face along with the strategic control of large swaths of South America coastal regions, central America and the Mediterranean, where the Russian fleet has a renewed presence in order to threaten Israel should it attack Iran.

The Iran question needs to be settled very soon, and the Russians are forcing our hand there, or pushing the Israelis to do what they must, and have us cover their backs and tie us down.

This is no time to even think about electing an idiot , non military experienced team like Obama/Biden. They would be in so far over their heads that they might just push the button.

So we have priorities to set, and we also must depend on our allies more than ever, especially,Canada, Australia, Japan and NATO. If these nations do not awaken to the strategic necessity of cranking up their militaries now in the next few months, then we will become sorely tried.

Georgia, is just a side show, the opening side show nonetheless, but we will likely see far more strategic ramifications closer to home than we would possibly have thought before Georgia.

Our continued influence around the world very much depends on our alliences, and they had better cop to a whole new world. That world has just flipped again. The Islamofascists concerns pale in comparison to the breadth of our new strategic concerns.

Not to say gloom and doom. We just have a lot more work to do now than we ever could have thought a month ago.

20 posted on 08/26/2008 12:11:45 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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