Posted on 08/25/2008 4:30:08 PM PDT by Alouette
Jeffrey Goldberg, the Atlantic writer is worried about Iran and Israel. His worry is not the usual one. Although Goldberg is an American Jew so committed to Israel that he served in the IDF, he is worried about what an Israeli attack on Iran would mean for America, specifically for American Jews.
"The problem is simple: Muslim extremists often conflate Israel and the Diaspora. They do this for two reasons: One, they are anti-Semites, and so tend to see all Jews, and not merely 'Zionists,' as their enemies; the second is a practical one - it is easy to strike at soft Jewish targets outside of Israel, easier, certainly, than executing mass terror attacks against Israeli targets these days. And so what you have, on occasion, is an attack like the one directed against the Jewish center in Argentina in 1994, in which 85 people were murdered," he writes.
In other words, American Jews - comfortable in their homes in New York, Washington or LA - could pay a very heavy price if Israel attacks Iran.
Goldberg writes that the reason we don't hear much about this issue of "blowback" is that just raising it challenges the fundamental premise underlying Zionism. The existence of the State of Israel supposedly makes Jews in the Diaspora safer. If, on the other hand, actions taken by Israel jeopardize Jews outside it, then the Zionist concept looks flawed.
Blowback also cuts into the whole idea of Diaspora sympathy for, and identification with, Israel. If American Jews believe that their own children and grandchildren here are no more secure than children and grandchildren in Israel, suddenly the playing field is leveled. Sympathy and concern is no longer a one-way street. After all, as much as we care about Israel's well-being, we are more concerned with the well-being of our own families wherever they may live, and with the well-being of our neighbors and our country. That is as it should be. After all, no one imagines that Israelis living in Tel Aviv are more concerned about Jewish kids in Brooklyn than about their own kids. Why would they be?
The whole question of whether Israel's actions can jeopardize us here is fraught with troubling questions. But they have to be raised.
AN ISRAELI attack on Iran - absent an imminent threat of attack from Iran - is a terrible idea for many reasons. It would not succeed in eliminating Iran's nuclear program but would almost surely prompt Iran to both opt out of the international inspection regime and redouble its efforts to produce a bomb. It would unite Arabs and Muslims against the US (they know that Israel could not attack Iran without implicit or explicit US approval). It would have a disastrous effect on the American effort next door in Iraq, eliminating recently made gains and endangering 130,000 American troops (this is why Defense Secretary Robert Gates so vehemently opposes an Israeli attack). And it would end the Arab-Israeli peace process, even putting the peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan at risk. And, no small thing, an attack would lead to a deadly Hizbullah missile onslaught against Israel, joined no doubt by Hamas in the south.
Nonetheless, an attack is not out of the question because there are forces in Israel and here that believe that anything, no matter how dangerous, is better than either negotiating with Iran or relying on sanctions. These people are as hell-bent for war with Iran as they were for war with Iraq. Mostly, they are the same people. Always wrong, always eager for war. (Many of these people encouraged Georgia to take on Russia, as always disregarding consequences.)
Of course, the last major war they agitated for - the one to depose Saddam - did not present the same threat of blowback here. Saddam Hussein was a lone wolf. Despite the now thoroughly discredited propaganda issued by neocons in and out of the administration, he was not allied with al-Qaida or any other terrorist group that would seek to avenge him. Iran is.
And Iran, or its proxies such as Hizbullah, no doubt has sleeper cells here ready to strike following an attack on the Shi'ite motherland.
NOT LONG ago, we Americans could imagine that we were immune to the kind of terrorism long afflicting Israel and other places. No more. The 9/11 attacks that took 3,000 lives in New York, Virginia and Pennsylvania were the most deadly attacks anywhere. After 9/11, nobody can tell Americans that we are naïve and that if we experienced what the Israelis have, we'd be wiser. We now know the ways of the world all too well. (My mother's little neighborhood in New York City lost 75 people on 9/11. My brother-in-law lost 300 "brothers" - fellow firefighters in New York, by far the largest number of firefighters ever lost).
And it's not like 9/11 is likely to be the last terrorist attack on our shores. No one in our government believes that. More than a few are surprised that we have not experienced a second 9/11 already.
There are, of course, those who argue that nothing the US or its allies do have any connection to attacks here. It is an article of faith for neoconservatives that "they" hate us for who we are and not for anything we do. But that's nonsense. They may hate us for who we are, but they often attack us because of things we have done. The Spanish government tried, after the terrible attack on Madrid that took 200 lives, to blame Basque terrorists because it did not want to admit that it was the Spanish government's decision to commit troops to Iraq that caused the attack. Later the truth came out and the government fell.
In short, actions have consequences. Governments, including the governments of the US and Israel, should consider them before preemptively attacking another Muslim state, especially when it is almost certain that an unprovoked attack will fail and leave the US, Israel and the world even less secure than before.
Jeff Goldberg wonders if we Americans have the right to advise Israel on what it should or shouldn't do on matters that relate to its security. Of course we do - when it also affects our own.
The writer is the director of of the Israel Policy Forum's Washington Policy Center.
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Will America pay the price if Israel hits Iran
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Will America pay the price if Israel DOES NOT hit Iran?
We should have bombed Iran into a parking lot back in 1978.
Just tell us little people what is beyond discussion.
Rosenberg is not like Part Buchanan. Rosenberg is a leftist with no real loyalty to any country, other than those, which exist in his mind.
“Just tell us little people what is beyond discussion.”
The belief that if the Beast eats someone else first, it will be sated and not eat you.
The Beast is never sated, however.
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Pat Buccarhon writing for Jerselum Post who knew LOL!
The stuff being said here is true & is something many Israelis are in denial about. Especially the negative effect an attack on Iran will have on America’s plans in Iraq. I don’t know where anyone gets the idea that Iraqis are going to be cool with an Israeli attack on Iran, which will always be associated with America. Sunni Arabs & even Shi’a Arabs to an extent may dislike Persians, but they really, really, really loathe Israelis. Even GCC governments that are secretly in favor of an Israeli attack on Iran represent only their ruling classes, certainly not most of their people. Be prepared for a lot of trouble & don’t expect the American government to be so enthusiastic about this.
But instead of drawing the conclusion that in the end only we (Israel) are responsible for ourselves & we cannot depend on permissions or foreign support, the author pushes Israel toward defeat & draws the conclusion that Israel should just accept submission to Iran.
I think Israel MUST strike Iran, then the other Arab nations when they all gather in one chant for the death of Israel. America should arm them and get out of the way, so Israel gets the victory and America has Israel’s thanks. My opinion.
"there are forces in Israel and here that believe that anything, no matter how dangerous, is better than either negotiating with Iran or relying on sanctions. These people are as hell-bent for war with Iran as they were for war with Iraq. Mostly, they are the same people. Always wrong, always eager for war. (Many of these people encouraged Georgia to take on Russia, as always disregarding consequences.)"
Sure sounds like Puke-cannon.
What a freaking worry-wart. Hey putz, we're at war with Islamofascists. War. In war, you don't sit there with your finger up your tuchas in paralysis worried about your enemy's response to getting his clock cleaned.
The writer is the director of the Israel Policy Forum's Washington Policy Center.
For those unaware, the Israel Policy Center was established as and still is the left-wing counterweight to AIPAC.
So it's perfectly fitting for Rosenberg to say, "An Israeli attack on Iran - absent an imminent threat of attack from Iran - is a terrible idea for many reasons." I wonder whether Rosenberg will or would ever acknowledge "an imminent threat of attack from Iran," no matter how many times Ahmadinejad has mouthed off about his intention to destroy Israel and no matter how close Iran is to the development of a nuclear weapon.
Seems also that Rosenberg has coined a new word in international policy: "blowback." He calculates that it will cause American Jews to pressure Israel to adopt appeasement policies. I hope he calculates incorrectly.
From my perspective here in NJ, it’s only a matter of time before the Muslim Salafists and various extremists in NJ take the Middle East wars onto NJ’s soil. The Federal, State, County and local police already know who the actors are, they already know their objectives, and they know their direct connections to extremists and governments in the Middle East.
There will be blowback in the US, some of the Muslim communities are insular and have many recent immigrants with marginal economic situations that will be easily exploited.
Judging from this article, you've got that right. As I pointed out earlier, his position as a big shot in the Israel Policy Forum gives him away.
Of course we do - when it also affects our own.
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You have a right to advise. You don’t have a right to expect and demand that Israel follows it. Much more is at stake than “our own”.
That doesn't mean they have nothing in common.
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