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Pelosi lies about Catholicism and abortion
hot air ^ | 8/25/2008 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 08/25/2008 5:13:35 PM PDT by tobyhill

I’m always astounded as to the extent of deception in which pro-choice Catholics indulge themselves, both inwardly and outwardly, to justify their positions. Perhaps there is no balder example of this than Nancy Pelosi attempting to spin the Catholic doctrine on human life today on Meet the Press. Pelosi argues that the Catholic position on human life only developed in the last 50 years and that it doesn’t impact abortion in any case:

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; abortion; catholic; catholicpoliticians; deathpanels; demlies; obamacare; pelosi; zerocare

1 posted on 08/25/2008 5:13:35 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Slow Joe Biden is doing exactly the same thing. Just overt lying.


2 posted on 08/25/2008 5:15:04 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: NYer

Ping


3 posted on 08/25/2008 5:17:07 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: johniegrad
The Democrat Party and the MSM are walking lies.
4 posted on 08/25/2008 5:18:05 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: tobyhill

There’s a thread running which gives the response from a Denver Bishop.


5 posted on 08/25/2008 5:18:18 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: tobyhill

Let her keep talking.

The more she talks the bigger hole she digs for herself.

Mark.9:42

[42] And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Luke.17:2

[2] It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

I dare sat that this translates to capital punishment.

It goes without saying, I hope, that ripping a human being apart “offends” the little one. It does more than that but I’ll leave it at that.


6 posted on 08/25/2008 5:18:38 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: tobyhill

Pelosi can say this over and over again. Every time she says it the thermostat on the eternal furnace will click higher.


7 posted on 08/25/2008 5:19:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: tobyhill

She never heard of the Wisdom of Solomon??


8 posted on 08/25/2008 5:20:35 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: johniegrad

“Membership in the Catholic Church is voluntary. If people do not want to follow its doctrines, they should find another faith community that reflects their values — and at the least, they should learn what the Church teaches on abortion and life before mischaracterizing it on national television. Pelosi is either a fool or a liar, or perhaps both.”

I would like to see her excommunicated. Then she’d know what the church teachings are.


9 posted on 08/25/2008 5:20:55 PM PDT by y6162 (uot)
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To: tobyhill
This women is either mentally unstable with delusions of grandeur or she thinks the people who are listening are utter and complete fools

I go with the first

10 posted on 08/25/2008 5:22:22 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: tobyhill

Just when you thought nobody could answer that question worse than Obummer, Do Nothing Nancy rises to the occasion. Hey Facelift, the Catholic Church says it is at the moment of Conception.

Pray for W and Our Troops


11 posted on 08/25/2008 5:24:13 PM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!)
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To: tobyhill

Shame on her and shame on the Catholic Church for not excommunicating her, Biden, Kennedy, et.al., or at the very least publically announcing they will not be allowed Communion if they do not recant.


12 posted on 08/25/2008 5:26:52 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: steve86
Every time she says it the thermostat on the eternal furnace will click higher.

Ms. Pelosi's use of the word "ardent" is interesting...

Pronunciation: \är-dənt\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin ardent-, ardens, present participle of ardēre to burn, from ardor

13 posted on 08/25/2008 5:29:27 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: missnry

Good catch.


14 posted on 08/25/2008 5:36:23 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: tobyhill

Didn’t the Catholic position on abortion change about the same time that the American Chemical Society declared that natural gas was not a fossel fuel? sarc off.

I cannot name anyone that I’ve known that is close to as stupid as is Pelosi. (No sarc there whatsoever.)


15 posted on 08/25/2008 5:37:27 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: tobyhill
The good news for Nancy is she'll never have a brain tumor

... cuz first, one needs a brain

16 posted on 08/25/2008 5:38:48 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Robwin

She and her ilk have excommunicated themselves...


17 posted on 08/25/2008 5:42:06 PM PDT by gdc314
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To: tobyhill

It’s really too bad that Nancy’s mother did not share her views.


18 posted on 08/25/2008 5:49:07 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: tobyhill

Its one thing to disagree with Church teaching. It’s another to misrepresent what she teaches because you don’t understand the subject.

But to assert the polar opposite on a topic as unambiguous as abortion? I’m not sure how to characterize that. “Ignorant” doesn’t seem to quite capture the depth and breadth of stupidity, but that’s the best I can come up with..


19 posted on 08/25/2008 5:53:43 PM PDT by chrisser (The Two Americas: Those that want to be coddled, Those that want to be left the hell alone.)
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To: tobyhill
Check out all the links (just from FR). This is getting to be a big issue in this election. My prediction is that it will be one of the major issues that defeats the Obama-Biden Killing b's ticket.

Also notice how many bishops -- including Pope Benedict -- have spoken out on the issue of these people supporting abortion.

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20 posted on 08/25/2008 5:55:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tobyhill; antonius

21 posted on 08/25/2008 5:56:18 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tobyhill

Cafeteria Catholics. Off the top of my head, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Cyprian, Lactanius, among others, spoke out against abortion hundreds of centuries before even San Fran Nan was born.


22 posted on 08/25/2008 6:04:29 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: chrisser

Almost as stupid as the priest continuing to give her communion.


23 posted on 08/25/2008 6:06:00 PM PDT by spyone
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Bishops respond to House Speaker Pelosi’s misrepresentation of Church teaching against abortion

WASHINGTON--Cardinal Justin F. Rigali, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Pro-Life Activities, and Bishop William E. Lori, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Doctrine, have issued the following statement:

In the course of a “Meet the Press” interview on abortion and other public issues on August 24, 2008, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi misrepresented the history and nature of the authentic teaching of the Catholic Church against abortion.

The Church has always taught that human life deserves respect from its very beginning and that procured abortion is a grave moral evil. In the Middle Ages, uninformed and inadequate theories about embryology led some theologians to speculate that specifically human life capable of receiving an immortal soul may not exist until a few weeks into pregnancy. While in canon law these theories led to a distinction in penalties between very early and later abortions, the Church’s moral teaching never justified or permitted abortion at any stage of development.

These mistaken biological theories became obsolete over 150 years ago when scientists discovered that a new human individual comes into being from the union of sperm and egg at fertilization. In keeping with this modern understanding, the Church has long taught that from the time of conception (fertilization), each member of the human species must be given the full respect due to a human person, beginning with respect for the fundamental right to life.

24 posted on 08/25/2008 6:10:56 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: nmh

We watched Meet the Depressed yesterday and Stephie’s show a couple of weeks ago, and my wife and I both agree we want Nancy on TV every week from now until November. There is no better advertisement for the Rep. taking back the House than watching Nancy speak. The woman is a complete idiot.

The WSJ had a poll today showing that 50% of those polled now understand that the Dems control Congress. That has to be a good thing.


25 posted on 08/25/2008 6:35:08 PM PDT by redangus
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To: Popman

I would say both!


26 posted on 08/25/2008 6:36:15 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: tobyhill
Nancy would be well advised to read the Didache, and the whole chapter where abortion is prohibited:

Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.

27 posted on 08/25/2008 6:40:31 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: tobyhill

Can you be Catholic and a Democrat?

No.


28 posted on 08/25/2008 6:47:39 PM PDT by TheGeezer (OK, so it's McCain...sigh...)
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To: y6162

I would love to see the Pope tell the archbishops that pro abortion politicians worldwide were to be excommunicated! There are plenty of other liberal churches she could go to that would have no problem with her views.


29 posted on 08/25/2008 7:25:31 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Robwin

Kudos to the Archbishops of both Washington and Denver, especially the latter.

“Irked by pro-choice Democrats who tout their Catholicism, the archbishop of Washington is chiding House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for misstating church history and the archbishop of Denver is warning vice presidential hopeful Joe Biden not to take Communion...

Over the weekend, Biden’s pro-choice views raised the ire of Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput.

“I presume that his integrity will lead him to refrain from presenting himself for communion, if he supports a false ‘right’ to abortion,” Chaput told The Associated Press.

As for Pelosi, Chaput called her “a gifted public servant of strong convictions and many professional skills. Regrettably, knowledge of Catholic history and teaching does not seem to be one of them.”

As for that lying POS Pelosi:”“I think some of it is regional,” said Pelosi, whose district encompasses San Francisco, in a recent interview with C-SPAN. “It depends on the bishop of a certain region and, fortunately for me, Communion has not been withheld and I’m a regular Communicant, so that would be a severe blow to me if that were the case.”

If that is the case, Archbishop of the SF diocese, get a pine. Act now!

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/archbishop-of-washington-chides-pelosi-denver-archbishop-warns-biden-to-skip-communion/


30 posted on 08/26/2008 2:34:10 PM PDT by Robwin
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