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To: Grig
If the universe is only 6000 years old, God went to a LOT of trouble to make it look otherwise.

I don't know how old the universe is. And since I've never created one, I guess I can't provide a hypothesis for what it would look like when it was finished - how old it would appear when complete.

But then again, how much trouble is it to create a human being? Harder than creating an "old" universe?

How old would this Adam have appeared? I'm guessing that he wasn't created a young boy - but rather a mature man. Why not then a mature universe?

The bottom line is that if your going to allow for a creator, you have to give him complete license.

In the end the WHY (all the trouble) may have to do with the idea that the righteous will live by faith (the Bible is pretty clear that the wicked demand a sign).

57 posted on 08/25/2008 9:52:10 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno
The bottom line is that if your going to allow for a creator, you have to give him complete license. In the end the WHY (all the trouble) may have to do with the idea that the righteous will live by faith (the Bible is pretty clear that the wicked demand a sign).

Well said. God created in 6 days, and has sustained for 6000 years. We try explain the creating by what we observe in the sustaining.

I was once a believer in the evo worldview, and it granted me license alright. But when I bcame a man, and actually investigated the so-called proofs (Horse fossil series, dark moths, "lucy", et al), and found they were frauds, I threw the baby out with it's bathwater. IMHO, it takes MUCH more faith to believe we evolved from rocks than it does to believe God created it all in 6 days, 6000 years ago, as his book claims. Not to mention the faith required to believe that the beauty, diversity and order of the universe is the result of a big explosion aons ago.

72 posted on 08/25/2008 10:43:52 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: jonno

It all seems to boil down to this in the end: you can try to understand the universe through science or through mythology. The former certainly seems to work better than the latter...so if I’m trying to determine the age of the universe, I’ll look to the consensus opinion of physicists and astronomers rather than that of priests and shamans.


104 posted on 08/26/2008 6:50:34 AM PDT by rosenfan
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To: jonno

“I don’t know how old the universe is. And since I’ve never created one, I guess I can’t provide a hypothesis for what it would look like when it was finished”

Light travels at a set speed, a light year is the length a beam of light travels in one year, so if the universe all sprung into existence only 6000 years old, at the end of the first 1000 years we would only see the stars 1000 light years away and closer, light from the others would not have had time to reach us yet. Likewise at the end of the first 2000 years we would only see the stars 2000 light years away and closer and so on and so on up to today. If the young earther’s claims were true, you would only see stars whose distance in light years was equal or less than the age of the earth.

Now you could say that along with creating a star 100 million light years away, God also create a 100 million light year long beam of light between it and earth creating the illusion that the universe is much older, but I don’t believe that God is an illusionist or deciever.

As for Adam, who says he was created as an adult, seems to me he was very much like a child, unable to really comprehend good from evil etc. etc. We have no idea how long he and Eve were in the Garden before the Fall either.


183 posted on 08/26/2008 5:38:26 PM PDT by Grig
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