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Posted on 08/26/2008 11:16:46 PM PDT by neverdem
Please Freep Mail me if you'd like on/off
Then you say that there are other articles that "mirror" that article.
The Business Week article and the others articles that "mirror" it are all variations of the Steve Milloy mis-info article.
Its all very simple.
First, Texas set up the CREZs. Competitive Renewable Energy Zones. This enables the generators and transmission people to know what and where.
Then the proposals come in.
There is Sharyland's proposal. There is one from Electric Transmission Texas. And of course there is one from Roberts County FWSD.
And since there is this thing called the internet, we can look these up and become well informed.
What applies to Dan Rather also applies to you, we have the internet now and don't have to listen to your bull-crap.
Utterly wrong.
I was at the AWEA conference and trade show (not a "meeting"). It was in Houston because they wanted it held in TX, the largest wind state in the US, and the Brown Convention Center could accommodate the more than 10,000 attendees and trade show floor of 700 exhibitors.
And I heard the plenary morning sessions...believe me, there was zero support for the oil industy. Quite the contrary.
The universe is not fueld by fission its fueld by fusion, and if you have a way to make a sustainable containable fusion reaction me thinks you are going to be a very rich man..
You may have missed this EIA analysis of subsidies to the electricity generators and energy suppliers. Ever since the nation was first electrified, federal, state and local governments have encouraged this effort. I posted it here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2063010/posts
It may help clear up the misconceptions of many on FR regarding this issue.
When I first visited relations in northern Californistan, I drove through Altamont Pass.
My reaction was, "Wow! Ugly as Hell, but Wow!
Why would you buy more system than you need? You'd just be jacking up your cost and pushing your ROI out further. Having independence and prepaid electric is one thing for a residential system, trying to turn a profit is another.
Besides, that is not what they want to hear.
Then go off the grid.
Yeah. Oh well - have you checked CLNE and WPRT lately? I’m doin’ good.
I noticed the CLNE rise, but what is WPRT?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=wprt
Canadian Co. half owned by Cummins Diesel - converts diesel engines to CNG or LNG. Pickens owns 12% stake.
You should have heard Rush talking about Windpower the other day. He said “Do you know there is a turbine in each one of those windmill housings? That’s what they put on jets and they are extremely noisy”. I don’t even know where to start, but I think it would be physical.
Most of those are 20 yearold tinker toys. You should see a modern windfarm. More importantly, you should see the output.
People don't have a clue. Tax breaks, subsidies, Gov't funded R&D, insurance, political support, security and defense. Hardly any of it is seen in your monthly bill.
If so, then why haven't they been replaced with modern windmills with better output?
What is the ROI on modern ones compared to 20 year old tinker toys?
The modern ones don't seem to have more eye appeal than the older ones.
They seem to be more "feel good" farms than they are wind farms.
Who is THEY, and where is THEY going to get the money to pay for building the infrastructure to upgrade the power grid?
Just put in what you need.
My point is that if the economics worked, I would be willing to put in more than what I need, thereby supplying some surplus for renters who don’t have their own roofs. Also since when are FReepers against someone making a reasonable profit. The Germans have kick started solar by paying a tariff of more than double the cost of electricity. I would be happy with something like 70% of the cost, leaving 30% to cover infrastructure and other overhead the utilities need to pay.
Many small producers in towns and cities would help boost local supplies, thereby requiring less in the way of long distance transmission. Incidentally, when farmers install solar and wind structures, they are still able to farm around them. Regarding long distance transmission, my point was that when the Interstate Highway System was begun there were many interests that had a stake in it. When enough different interests have an interest in producing our own energy instead of paying our enemies to sell it to us, it will happen. “THEY” will make it happen. When we stop spending our tax money in Iraq, we will have more for in country infrastructure. [Personal Note: My son is probably going back to Afghanistan next year. In my opinion the war we should have finished when we started it.]
The economics for small scale is just terrible. It only works if the alternative is grid power at about 25 cents per kwhr. The economics realized by scaling up wind to 100mw windfarms is enormous. "the economics of scale".
Many small producers in towns and cities would help boost local supplies, thereby requiring less in the way of long distance transmission. Incidentally, when farmers install solar and wind structures, they are still able to farm around them. Regarding long distance transmission, my point was that when the Interstate Highway System was begun there were many interests that had a stake in it. When enough different interests have an interest in producing our own energy instead of paying our enemies to sell it to us, it will happen. “THEY” will make it happen. When we stop spending our tax money in Iraq, we will have more for in country infrastructure. [Personal Note: My son is probably going back to Afghanistan next year. In my opinion the war we should have finished when we started it.]
I really like your interstate analogy. I'm not sure but I have to think it's a lot cheaper to build and maintain a thousand miles of high power lines than interstate.
It’s only feasible when it’s subsidized.
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