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Pope Pelosi At the Gate
townhall.com ^ | August 27, 2008 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 08/27/2008 6:04:57 AM PDT by kellynla

WASHINGTON -- When Democrats decided they wouldn't let the GOP be "God's Only Party," they weren't kidding. Thanks to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, none other than St. Augustine has been summoned to Denver.

He was resurrected as Pelosi was trying to respond to the question that refuses to die: When does human life begin? This time, it was Tom Brokaw asking on Sunday's "Meet the Press." Citing Barack Obama's recent pass on a similar question -- "At what point does a baby get human rights?" -- Brokaw asked Pelosi what she would say to Obama were he to ask her advice.

Pelosi didn't finesse her answer, as Obama did when he said the question was above his pay grade, but she may wish she had.

"I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time," Pelosi began. "And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctrines of the church have not been able to make that definition. ... St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on a woman's right to choose. ... I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins."

Few paragraphs have contained more falsehoods. The reaction was swift from Denver's archbishop, the Rev. Charles J. Chaput, among others, who condemned Pelosi's comments during Mass that same evening. Blogging on Monday, Chaput quoted Jesuit John Connery, author of "Abortion: The Development of the Roman Catholic Perspective," who concluded that "The Christian tradition from the earliest days reveals a firm anti-abortion attitude."

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicchurch; catholics; pelosi
No Communion for pro-abortion Catholics, says Archbishop Burke

California Catholic Daily

Rome, Aug 19, 2008 / (CNA) -- Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest judicial authority of the Holy See, said this week that Catholics who publicly support abortion -- especially politicians -- should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it “until they have reformed their lives.”

[[Burke082108.jpg]]In an interview with the magazine Radici Christiane, Archbishop Burke pointed out that there is often a lack of reverence at Mass when receiving Communion. “Receiving the Body and Blood of Christ unworthily is a sacrilege,” he warned. “If it is done deliberately in mortal sin it is a sacrilege.”

To illustrate his point, he referred to “public officials who, with knowledge and consent, uphold actions that are against the Divine and Eternal moral law. For example, if they support abortion, which entails the taking of innocent and defenseless human lives. A person who commits sin in this way should be publicly admonished in such a way as to not receive Communion until he or she has reformed his life,” the archbishop said. “If a person who has been admonished persists in public mortal sin and attempts to receive Communion, the minister of the Eucharist has the obligation to deny it to him. Why? Above all, for the salvation of that person, preventing him from committing a sacrilege,” he added.

“We must avoid giving people the impression that one can be in a state of mortal sin and receive the Eucharist,” the archbishop continued. “Secondly, there could be another form of scandal, consisting of leading people to think that the public act that this person is doing, which until now everyone believed was a serious sin, is really not that serious -- if the Church allows him or her to receive Communion.”

“If we have a public figure who is openly and deliberately upholding abortion rights and receiving the Eucharist, what will the average person think? He or she could come to believe that it up to a certain point it is okay to do away with an innocent life in the mother’s womb,” he warned.

Archbishop Burke also noted that when a bishop or a Church leader prevents an abortion supporter from receiving Communion, “it is not with the intention of interfering in public life but rather in the spiritual state of the politician or public official who, if Catholic, should follow the divine law in the public sphere as well.

“Therefore, it is simply ridiculous and wrong to try to silence a pastor, accusing him of interferi ng in politics so that he cannot do good to the soul of a member of his flock,” he stated.

http://calcatholic.com/news/newsArticlePrintable.aspx?id=ae7464ca-97de-4e56-88c8-3004d2adf4ba

1 posted on 08/27/2008 6:04:58 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

When does human life begin? Nancy believes it’s sometime after partial birth abortion. I really don’t understand catholics and their dem party affiliation.


2 posted on 08/27/2008 6:08:43 AM PDT by umgud
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To: kellynla
Pelosi is going to argue church doctrin and theology with an archbishop?!


3 posted on 08/27/2008 6:10:16 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: kellynla

Praise God!!

Now to add support of "Gay Marriage" as a reason to Excommunicate.

This could be BIG!

4 posted on 08/27/2008 6:10:41 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: umgud

“I really don’t understand catholics and their dem party affiliation?”

Lets not confuse practicing Catholics with CINO’s...please!

Just like there is a HUGE difference in practicing Jews and JINO’s who vote “D”!


5 posted on 08/27/2008 6:14:00 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Westbrook
This could be BIG!

The abortion / gay marriage issue is looking to be big in this election. Bad news for the democrat party, I must say

6 posted on 08/27/2008 6:15:54 AM PDT by atc23
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To: umgud

> I really don’t understand catholics and their dem party affiliation.

They used to be mostly working class, blue collar, union dues payers.

Things have changed.

The Donkeys have seen this handwriting on the wall for a while, and have tried to carefully couch their pro-death positions with “Separation of Church and State” arguments.

They have also tried to import voters to counterbalance their pro-death positions with support of social services required for the imported voters.

That may not hold water anymore, if the CINO politicians start being denounced by local bishops denied Communion in local Catholic churches, and if the imported voters begin to see their affiliation to the Church as a first order concern in their lives.


7 posted on 08/27/2008 6:15:56 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: kellynla

A wolf, meeting with a Lamb astray from the fold, resolved not to lay violent hands on him, but to find some plea to justify to the Lamb the Wolf’s right to eat him. He thus addressed him: “Sirrah, last year you grossly insulted me.” “Indeed,” bleated the Lamb in a mournful tone of voice, “I was not then born.” Then said the Wolf, “You feed in my pasture.” “No, good sir,” replied the Lamb, “I have not yet tasted grass.” Again said the Wolf, “You drink of my well.” “No,” exclaimed the Lamb, “I never yet drank water, for as yet my mother’s milk is both food and drink to me.” Upon which the Wolf seized him and ate him up, saying, “Well! I won’t remain supperless, even though you refute every one of my imputations.”


8 posted on 08/27/2008 6:17:27 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Barack Obama--the first black Jimmy Carter.)
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To: umgud

Mrs. Pelosi’s argument is sophistry. Period.

I haven’t seen this much pretzel logic in a long time.

Nice going, Madame Speaker, you one heck of an example for all of us.


9 posted on 08/27/2008 6:17:48 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: kellynla

I hope this goes on for a while.

The Dumocrats are pissing people off.


10 posted on 08/27/2008 6:18:52 AM PDT by Scarchin (Romney for VEEP)
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To: kellynla

Thanks very much for posting. Insight into the criminal mind.


11 posted on 08/27/2008 6:22:06 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: umgud
Been telling you guys that this Pelosi woman is mentally ill and dumb as a board. She suffered some sort of psychotic break when she was first elected to public office and has never looked back.

Or, maybe the break happened earlier, but that was before she became a skin job.

Fur Shur catechism classes had no effect on her.

12 posted on 08/27/2008 6:33:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ELS; chimera; NYer

I believe this was the example I was seeking.


13 posted on 08/27/2008 6:39:36 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama's just biden his time until McCain wins in November.)
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To: muawiyah

The RATS need to form a breakaway American Catholic Church with its head in DC. They could elect Nancy the first female Pope.


14 posted on 08/27/2008 6:39:42 AM PDT by Oldexpat (Drill Here, Drill There..we must drill everywhere.)
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To: kellynla
"Human development begins at fertilization when a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to produce a single cell -- a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."

In other words, human life begins at conception. That is not a religious posture, but a scientific fact that the lowest paid laborer on the planet can assert without qualm. What we do with that understanding is another matter, but no one in the 21st century should pretend not to know when human life begins. On this matter at least, the church and science are in agreement.

I love this last paragraph, should I send it to Obama, perhaps he needs consultation with the scientific and religious experts!

How could one not believe in God, Creator of all, realizing what happens in that moment and then during the next 40 weeks.

15 posted on 08/27/2008 6:42:13 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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To: kellynla
Communion doesn't mean a thing to these liberals. For a liberal to be associated with any religion is merely a political convenience. Their god is the state.
16 posted on 08/27/2008 6:42:30 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: muawiyah

Been telling you guys that this Pelosi woman is mentally ill and dumb as a board. She suffered some sort of psychotic break when she was first elected to public office and has never looked back.
Or, maybe the break happened earlier, but that was before she became a skin job.

Fur Shur catechism classes had no effect on her.


This is not exactly correct. Nancy D’Allesandro grew up a Catholic girl in Baltimore and certainly knows the Church’s position on abortion is unequivocal. There isn’t any doubt about this. Talking to Brokaw, she had the audacity to parse what cannot be parsed and certainly not by her—but she does so because she now imagines she occupies a higher position of authority than the Church and even God. She’s not dumb; she’s a full-bore megalomaniac.


17 posted on 08/27/2008 6:45:37 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: thirst4truth

“should I send it to Obama?”

Why bother...the guy is an anti-American Racist, Pro-Abortionist, Marxist...and after 11/4, he will just be the junior senator from Illinois...


18 posted on 08/27/2008 6:49:06 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

"Hey - Madam Speaker or whatever you call yourself! Don't make me come down there!"

19 posted on 08/27/2008 7:19:10 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: kellynla
"At what point does a baby get human rights?" -- Brokaw asked Pelosi "I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic ... We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on a woman's right to choose ..."

In the history of the abortion debate, there have been few statements more grossly offensive than this one. I disagree with those who genuinely believe that a "fetus" becomes human at birth or (in Obama's case if he's sincere) a few hours or days after birth, but it's at least possible that they don't understand the facts or haven't thought it through. When someone says that whether or not the embryo/fetus/baby has or should have human rights is irrelevant to whether the mother should be permitted to kill it at will, that is shocking - even by the standards of last year's Democrat party.

And for those Catholics who were embarrassed by Pelosi, don't worry. She is the only person in the country stupid enough to believe that her words have any relationship with the Church's position except as polar opposites. Every other Catholic knows better, whether or not they follow the Church's teachings, and every non-Catholic knows the clear and unambiguous position that the Church has taken. She's not causing any confusion at all. Just shock.

20 posted on 08/27/2008 7:40:21 AM PDT by RogerD (Educaiton Profesionul)
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To: umgud

The key phrase in Nancy’s statement was that a woman’s right to choose was more important that what the church doctrine is. The very fact that Nancy makes this statement with the qualification of purporting to be an “ardent, and practicing Catholic” speaks volumes to the deceitful nature of the Democrat Party.


21 posted on 08/27/2008 9:45:10 AM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: PaleoBob
Megalomania tempered by abject stupidity, and probably botox driven brain damage.

Now that's a comprehensive picture around which we can all gather.

22 posted on 08/27/2008 10:17:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kellynla; antonius

23 posted on 08/27/2008 10:36:55 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Westbrook

**This could be BIG!**

It is big. Wait until you see all the links that have been posted on FR. Sources include Newsweek, LATimes, Chicago Tribune, to list a few.


24 posted on 08/27/2008 10:38:56 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Scarchin

When articles show up in the LATimes, Newsweek and Chicago Tribune — it will definitely go on for awhile. Check back later.


25 posted on 08/27/2008 10:40:39 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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