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On Palin, Abortion and Gay Marriage
Pajamas Media ^ | August 31, 2008 | Roger L. Simon

Posted on 08/31/2008 2:38:25 PM PDT by AJKauf

I would guess that many of us who are pro-choice (loathe the tired “choice-life” terminology) were nonetheless moved by Sarah Palin’s heartfelt and principled decision not to abort her Down’s syndrome child, revealed to the world yesterday during her initial campaign appearance. It reminded me of something about which I have been ruminating for some time: The preeminent social issues – gay marriage and abortion – are quite separate. Lumping them together, as is often done by the media and by ideologues on both sides, is insulting to our intelligence....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; homosexualagenda; issues; moralabsolutes; obama; palin; prolife; sarahpalin; vp
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1 posted on 08/31/2008 2:38:25 PM PDT by AJKauf
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Note: The slogan was originally posted to FR by Renfield. Islander7 created the graphic. I've merely taken the initiative in publicizing it. It's so good, it may well be the "Sore/Loserman" of the 2008 election.
2 posted on 08/31/2008 2:42:43 PM PDT by sourcery (Social Justice. n. 1. Enslavement of those who work for the benefit of those who don't.)
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(loathe the tired “choice-life” terminology)

Then why don't you honestly describe yourself as "pro-abortion" or "pro-death," Roger?

3 posted on 08/31/2008 2:43:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick (What would Sarah Palin do?)
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To: sourcery; Renfield; Islander7

Awesome! I love it!


4 posted on 08/31/2008 2:44:01 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: AJKauf

Well, we can discuss homosexual marriage and abortion as separate issues. They are separate. I think that the media types tend to lump them together because the same people who favor abortion on demand tend to favor homosexual marriage. The media types like to take a list of things that social conservatives are concerned about and go down that list and put them together.


5 posted on 08/31/2008 2:47:23 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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(loathe the tired “choice-life” terminology)

Don't use it then. Say what you mean.

Pro-abortion.

Anti-abortion.

6 posted on 08/31/2008 2:49:14 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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Poor Roger. He doesn't understand that in a state of freedom, where "choice" was "choice" and not something imposed by government dictat, there would be no abortions.

Just take the armed guard service provided to the abortion industry away from them, and it will collapse like a house of cards.

7 posted on 08/31/2008 2:49:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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in a state of freedom, where "choice" was "choice" and not something imposed by government dictat, there would be no abortions.

I think it would be more accurate to say, "There would be no legal abortions."

8 posted on 08/31/2008 2:52:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick (What would Sarah Palin do?)
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A couple might slip through, but the doctors face some real risks in a state of total freedom (regarding this particular issue).


9 posted on 08/31/2008 2:55:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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" in a state of freedom, where "choice" was "choice" and not something imposed by government dictat, there would be no abortions. "

" I think it would be more accurate to say, "There would be no legal abortions." paid by the government.
There now, fixed.
10 posted on 08/31/2008 3:03:32 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Well, we can discuss homosexual marriage and abortion as separate issues. They are separate.

Philosophically, you are mistaken. Both of these issues are directly related to the "sanctity of life," its preservation and propagation.

Abortion destroys a new life, already conceived. Homosexuality prevents a new life from being conceived. Despite the article's citation of in vitro fertilization and surrogate "birth mother," the fact remains that exclusively homosexual practitioners cannot produce new life.


11 posted on 08/31/2008 3:06:41 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: AJKauf

Our position is simple - We want to abort same-sex marriages.


12 posted on 08/31/2008 3:12:48 PM PDT by reg45
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To: muawiyah
the doctors face some real risks in a state of total freedom

I agree. However, there will always be women who are pregnant but don't wish to give birth, so there will always be some abortions, either self-induced or assisted. Making abortion illegal will cut the numbers massively, but if making murder and rape illegal hasn't eliminated those crimes, I don't think it's reasonable to believe that making abortion illegal will eliminate abortion.

13 posted on 08/31/2008 3:51:00 PM PDT by Tax-chick (What would Sarah Palin do?)
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I wasn't proposing making it illegal ~ just not protected by law. No guns; no court; no investigations; no nothing.

Just totally privatize the entire business ~ both the pro's and the anti's.

That'd end the practice.

14 posted on 08/31/2008 3:53:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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You seem to be suggesting that anyone who wants to should be given a pass to murder abortionists or women seeking abortion. I think that’s oxymoronic and also wrong.


15 posted on 08/31/2008 4:03:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (What would Sarah Palin do?)
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To: reg45
Our position is simple - We want to abort same-sex marriages.

WINNER.

16 posted on 08/31/2008 4:42:28 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: AJKauf

“twin girls brought to our family by my son Raphael and his partner Phillip. These beautiful girls were conceived in vitro and carried by a birth mother.”

The mind boggles. Creating babies in a test tube so a couple of self involved gay men can experience fatherhood? And when these two men split up, and statistically that is highly likely, who gets the child? This insanity is going to make Solomon’s wisdom pale.


18 posted on 08/31/2008 5:02:27 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I think it’s safe to say that by correctly realizing that human life beings at conception and that baby fetuses are persons (human beings), then the STATE has an obligation to PROTECT THEM, their rights legally, (including their right to life)! When we finally start to advocate this fact (and use the legal arguments necessary to correctly defend/descrive the life that hang in the balance, then we will be on the threshold of winning! (To the Glory of God, and for the safety of the children), so lets stop using the media/liberal/set-in-stone for 30 years terminology to describe the abortion debate!!


19 posted on 08/31/2008 5:05:19 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Tax-chick
Hardly. I simply propose a return to the American standard before dueling was outlawed.

That's how it was done. Even our Founding Fathers followed the custom.

Why should abortionists be the only ones empowered to walk away from a murder without any legal repercussions?!

20 posted on 08/31/2008 6:22:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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