[gracesdad]

I’m asking whether I would intentionally put my daughter through this sort of national attention by agreeing to run for VP. I hope I wouldn’t, but I’m obviously not as driven as Palin.

This also tells us that if the daughter of a social conservative can come out as being pregnant before marriage, even if she is getting married, there’s no longer any shame whatsoever to this. It tells me a lot more than if this had been the daughter of a liberal.

Nonetheless, I wish nothing than the absolute best to Bristol and her future family.

[DallasBiff]

I’m asking whether I would intentionally put my daughter through this sort of national attention by agreeing to run for VP. I hope I wouldn’t, but I’m obviously not as driven as Palin.

Huh, it seems that you are the one putting the spotlight on Gov. Palin in a private matter and despising that Bristol did the right thing and that Gov. Palin and her husband are behind their daughter 100%.

[Redbob]

"I’m asking whether I would intentionally put my daughter through this sort of national attention by agreeing to run for VP."

Or... one could say that this was the daughter's choice, and hopefully SHE didn't do it to deny her mother the opportunity of a lifetime. But then, I guess I'm just not trying to put the worst possible spin on it, as you appear to be.

[wagglebee]

I’m asking whether I would intentionally put my daughter through this sort of national attention by agreeing to run for VP. I hope I wouldn’t, but I’m obviously not as driven as Palin.

Palin's name was first mentioned months ago, I cannot imagine that they haven't discussed this as a family and Sarah Palin does not seem like the type of person who would go through with this without the total support of her family.

This also tells us that if the daughter of a social conservative can come out as being pregnant before marriage, even if she is getting married, there’s no longer any shame whatsoever to this.

How do you know that Bristol didn't feel shame? Are you disagreeing with her decision to keep the baby? Obviously, she should have abstained from sex, but "should have" doesn't really help in real-life situations.

[Guenevere]

Sorry gracesdad, but that was a backhanded 'compliment' & more like a slap, if I ever saw one.

I think you're being disingenuous or less than honest by saying you wish nothing but the absolute best, especially after getting your kicks in.

Put her daughter through this?....I think her daughter is putting herself through this and yes, there is still a level of shame attached....

..No one, especially the parents, are ignorant of the facts or the long road these two young parents will hoe.

Have some compassion please.

If Sarah Palin was a hardbitten Hillary type, desperate for her moment of fame or power, this young daughter would have been whisked into an abortion clinic faster than a speeding bullet!

Sarah is showing the mettle she truly has, IMO.

[Redbob]

"This also tells us that if the daughter of a social conservative can come out as being pregnant before marriage, even if she is getting married, there’s no longer any shame whatsoever to this."

You're saying that marriage is something we normally only do if shamed into it???

[stripes1776]

This also tells us that if the daughter of a social conservative can come out as being pregnant before marriage, even if she is getting married, there’s no longer any shame whatsoever to this. It tells me a lot more than if this had been the daughter of a liberal.

Have you ever heard of the Puritans who colonized New England? They practiced something called bundling. They didn't have guest bedrooms or central heading back in those days. If a male guest came in the dead of winter and stayed over night, he slept with the teen-age daughter so he could keep warm. They bundled.

Who is to say if anything occurred between the male guest and the teenage daughter in the middle of night? They only way that anything could be confirmed is if she got pregnant. If she didn't, the man went on his merry way. If she got pregnant, both of them were marched off to church and got married.

Palin's daughter got pregnant. She and her boyfriend are going off to church to get married. It all ends up in a joyous occasion.

[El Cid]

RE: 12

I’m asking whether I would intentionally put my daughter through this sort of national attention by agreeing to run for VP. I hope I wouldn’t, but I’m obviously not as driven as Palin.

It is a shame that the forces of evil exist, and we all knew the slime machine, which is called the DNC and MSM, was going to kick into the attack. The option to cower and hide vs. the option to stand and slog forward has always existed. We'll keep Mrs. Palin and her family in our prayers, but I'm sure this is just the first of several barrages...

This also tells us that if the daughter of a social conservative can come out as being pregnant before marriage, even if she is getting married, there’s no longer any shame whatsoever to this. It tells me a lot more than if this had been the daughter of a liberal.

And since you apparently were privy to all of the family discussions regarding this matter - to conclude that there is no shame or recognition of sin involved - perhaps you can tell us what this exactly tells you...

Nonetheless, I wish nothing than the absolute best to Bristol and her future family.

And I'm sure they appreciate your sincere well wishes.

[FrankR]

"Nonetheless, I wish nothing than the absolute best to Bristol and her future family. "

Really? Does that last line excuse you from accusing the Palins of being bad parents, and saying that their daughter should crawl under a rock and hide from shame?

Perhaps, you think she should have had it aborted and avoid the "scandal".

This is not the time in America for self-righeousness. If you want to perpetuate the newest and best hope of keeping CommieObommie out of the White House, then you go ahead.

This girl - like millions of others, has made a mistake. Obviously, you're one of the perfect ones who has never made an error...and I guess that could explain your attitude about it.

However, I once heard a wise man say, "It's not the mistakes you make in life, it's what you do to make up for them that counts.".

What's done is done...they have three options: abortion, adoption, or getting married and raising their child with the full support and love of grandparents and siblings...I choose the latter.

[McBuff]

Right. . .yea. . .how could Palin do this to her family? Hey, she must be. . .EVIL. . .I can’t vote for McCain now. . .As soon as she found out her daughter was pregnant, she should of led her out into the woods and had her eaten by bears! WE NEED LIEBERMAN! /sarc

[RogerD]

I’m asking whether I would intentionally put my daughter through this sort of national attention by agreeing to run for VP. I hope I wouldn’t, but I’m obviously not as driven as Palin.

I don't think it has anything to do with being "driven". I have relatives up there, and people in their community already knew. Running for VP isn't going to affect the daughter's interactions with her friends, who already adjusted to this news. A teenager, at least from what I've seen with sixty of them in my classes plus my own children, cares about her circle of friends and isn't likely to give Wolfe Blitzer more thought than it takes for an eye roll before moving on to her homework and other important things - which of her friends is going out with whom and whether she can find a homecoming dress that she likes that will fit well.

This also tells us that if the daughter of a social conservative can come out as being pregnant before marriage, even if she is getting married, there’s no longer any shame whatsoever to this. It tells me a lot more than if this had been the daughter of a liberal.

This has been happening with conservatives for centuries, including with a few in my own ancestery (either that or some healthy babies were born as much as six months premature, just twelve weeks after one wedding). The family is supporting their daughter, which is the right thing. They are keeping the baby, which is the right thing. The two loved each other enough to make a baby, and now they are getting married so their child will have an intact family. In most cases, I believe that is the right thing too.

Nonetheless, I wish nothing than the absolute best to Bristol and her future family.

That's one thing we agree on. Personally, I think her children will be strong enough to handle Washington DC without being drawn into the city's problems.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Yes.... it is God's desire that we should not sin, but, the Bible tells us that " ALL have sinned and have come short to the glory of God " ... if we were sinless, then ? there would have been no need for Jesus Christ to have died on the cross.
At least they didn't try to hid it, as long as were are honest with God about our sin.... God will show us mercy.
The proud as those who don't want to confess their sins, God says " God resists the proud, but, gives grace to the humble "

Yes, we should NOT excuse sin, but, it happens.
Do you suppose one of the greatest saints in the Bible who wrote 2/3rds of the New Testament didn't struggle with sin ?
The Apostle Paul here in the 7th Chapter of Romans does not excuse sin ( that is for those heretic hunters who say " but, this does not give us a license to sin " ) but, Paul is saying, that sin does happen and we still struggle with it.
Romans 7 (King James Version)

1. Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2. For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.



Under God's standard and law....... ALL of us humans are guilty and rightfully deserve to be judged and die under God's law and righteous standards.
However ? God does not judge us under the old original standard..... GOD has already judged our sin ( s ) in our Saviour Jesus Christ... God punished OUR sin ( s ) on the body of Jesus Christ..... Jesus Christ has paid it ALL.
Now God judges us with Jesus Christ RIGHTEIOUSNESS..... Jesus Christ is our righteousness.... when we trust and believe on Jesus Christ and ask him to come into our lives and hearts,,,,, God's sees Jesus's blood and righteousness.

Let me ask the heretic hunters who say " but, but, it does not give us a license to sin "
well well then ? do you sin ? because if you say you don't, you make God a lier.
ALL have sinned and have come short to the Glory of GOD.

Sorry gracesdad for the long winded response.
We need to pray for the Palin family because the devils, demons are all out in rage, because they know what this means.... Roe vs Wade might be overturned if John McCain appoints a strict constitutional conservative judges.