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War splits Orthodox churches in Russia and Georgia
iht.com ^ | September 5, 2008 | Sophia Kishkovsky

Posted on 09/05/2008 11:28:33 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

"What these events show is the collapse of the myth of unity of Orthodox peoples and the collapse of the myth of the supreme peacemaking ability of Orthodox civilization..." ....

Georgia has fewer than five million people, but is one of the most ancient Christian countries in the world. Its church dates back to the fourth century, far outpacing the Russian church, which dates its founding to the Baptism of Rus in 988, when Prince Vladimir of Kiev brought Orthodoxy to the banks of the Dnieper River. ...

"This is a very complicated and long history of relationship between the churches. When Russia annexed Georgia in the beginning of the 19th century, it abolished the king, it abolished the patriarch in 1811, it persecuted the Georgian language at all levels, including the church." ...

Last week, Patriarch Ilia appealed to Medvedev and Putin to end the confrontation and not to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia. "This will give rise to separatism in your country, and in the future you will have many more problems than we have in Georgia today," he said, according to the Interfax news agency. "This is worth meditating upon."

The next day, Medvedev said in a televised speech that events compelled him to recognize the enclaves' independence. ...

Parts of South Ossetia's and Abkhazia's populations are Orthodox and do not want to be under the Orthodox Church in Georgia, Kuraev said. Ossetia and Abkhazia also have strong pagan elements, said Mitrokhin. Islam is also present there.

The Russian church was surprisingly tepid about Medvedev's recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, saying it did not necessarily mean that their Orthodox communities would come under Moscow's jurisdiction.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: europeanchristians; georgia; orthodox; russia; southossetia
Georgian Monks And Nuns Forced To Leave Abkhazia - September 04, 2008 - "They must submit to the authority of our Church or leave Abkhazia," the head of the Abkhaz Orthodox Church, Priest Vissarion Aplia, said in a statement....
1 posted on 09/05/2008 11:28:33 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thanks Joe. So sad.


2 posted on 09/05/2008 1:24:08 PM PDT by MarMema ("..this isn't about the U.S. and Russia, It's about everyone and Russia.")
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To: Lasha

ping


3 posted on 09/05/2008 5:34:47 PM PDT by MarMema ("..this isn't about the U.S. and Russia, It's about everyone and Russia.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
BTW - this Priest Aplia was the one that was decorated by Russian Church with some medal of honor this July, completely by-passing Georgian church... in clerical circles this is even worth than recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia by Medvedev...
4 posted on 09/06/2008 12:00:44 AM PDT by Lasha
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To: Tailgunner Joe

bump


5 posted on 09/06/2008 12:02:50 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Tailgunner Joe; MarMema
As a Catholic observer this seems to be somewhat reminiscent of the crime of the Crusader sacking of Byzantium so many years ago. On a much smaller scale so far. It is sad that we can not have more Christian brotherhood in these dangerous times.
6 posted on 09/06/2008 1:03:29 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (DEATH TO PUTIN!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Monday, September 08, 2008
World Council of Churches delegation reaches South Ossetia

A pastoral delegation sent by the World Council of Churches (WCC) to Georgia and Russia has not been able to visit South Ossetia from the Georgian side of the ceasefire line.

Unable to make the half-hour drive to Tskhinvali from within Georgia, they are now traveling thousands of kilometres to reach the enclave from the Russian side instead.

The ecumenical delegation could not be given a guarantee of safe passage from the authorities inside South Ossetia.

The route should by now be a corridor for aid, but the humanitarian access stipulated by the ceasefire agreement in mid-August is apparently not being honoured. Armed groups are accused of acts of violence in the area.

Government and aid officials in Georgia told the WCC group that up to 7,000 ethnic Georgians are still living in South Ossetia under uncertain conditions. Even the Red Cross has largely been denied access, they said, but the Georgian Orthodox Church has limited access to a few of them.

Early in the war, with help from the Russian Orthodox Church, Georgian Orthodox Patriarch Ilia II secured permission to visit a bishop and a few priests and nuns who have stayed in South Ossetia. Since then the church has brought in food and brought out Georgian casualties that were still lying unburied several days after the war.

“We want to express our immense gratitude that you have come in the difficult situation Georgia is facing now,” the Georgian Patriarch told the WCC delegation.

“Be assured we are with you at this difficult time,” said Archbishop Nifon of Targoviste, Romania, the delegation head.

“We have been following the situation in your country with great sorrow,” said Rev Jean-Arnold de Clermont, president of the Conference of European Churches.

“At the same time, we are greatly impressed by your visit to South Ossetia and by the public declarations in favour of peace by the two patriarchates of Russia and Georgia.”

“Russia is our neighbour and we should have good relations with it,” Ilia noted.

In Georgia the WCC delegation also met Armenian Orthodox and Baptist leaders, a member of parliament and a government minister responsible for refugees, the country’s public defender, member agencies of Action by Churches Together (ACT) International and displaced people living in camps and schools.

Humanitarian situation

About two-thirds of the 150,000 people displaced into Georgia by the conflict have now returned to their homes. Most of the nearly 50,000 still displaced are housed in school buildings. Even as more durable solutions become urgent, ACT member agencies and local church aid workers told the WCC delegation of many gaps in meeting immediate needs.

“With schools in Georgia scheduled to open in one week, the people we met do not know what will happen next,” said Rev Laszlo Lehel, director of Hungarian Inter-Church Aid and representing ACT on the delegation. Some 26,000 of these people are from South Ossetia, with little immediate prospect of returning home.

Lia Gogitze, a woman from South Ossetia living in a Tbilisi school, told the delegation, “We lived so well there with our orchards and livestock. It was like a small paradise. Here we share one cup.” Satellite photos show her village, Kemerti, as one of dozens of communities in the enclave heavily damaged by fire in the days since the major fighting ceased.

To visit the enclave the delegation is making a 4,000-kilometer detour via Moscow and North Ossetia. When they reach the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, they will be just 40 kilometers from where they were on their first day in Georgia.

In South Ossetia the ecumenical visitors will meet with church leaders, local officials and the recently displaced residents who have now mostly returned from North Ossetia. Also of concern are the ethnic Georgian residents still thought to be in the enclave after weeks of violence and many reports of looting, arson and forced evictions. The trip will end in Moscow with visits to the Russian Orthodox Church and the government. In addition to Nifon, de Clermont and Lehel, the delegation includes Rev Elenora Giddings-Ivory and Jonathan Frerichs from the WCC secretariat in Geneva.

7 posted on 09/07/2008 2:09:18 PM PDT by MarMema (regime change in Russia!! OR the economy will completely bottom out......Oh well. Too bad.)
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