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'Rush to judgment' in deadly LA rail crash?
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Posted on 09/14/2008 8:57:03 AM PDT by traumer

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To: ErnBatavia

“The Illinois Central officially said
He’s a good engineer to be a-lying dead.”

Actually, the Illinois Central blamed the wreck on Casey Jones, although best evidence seems to fault the conductor of the stalled train ahead even more. (Jones acted heroically, holding the brake till the very end to mitigate the effect on passengers in his train, when he could have jumped as he ordered his fireman to do.)

The official report said that Jones ran through several flares and torpedo signals, based on the word of the conductor of the other train. Jones was not available to comment, although his surviving fireman claimed that there were no such signals.


21 posted on 09/14/2008 9:39:36 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Chicken counting time starts Nov. 5.)
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To: meyer

I think I read on another thread that a text message was sent from the engineers phone at the time he was blowing the stop signal.


22 posted on 09/14/2008 10:10:57 AM PDT by sportutegrl (0bi has been looking a little wan.)
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To: devere

The engineer was an employee of Veolia, which contracted for operation of the trains.

Was there anything unusual about having that particular freight running on that day? Was it typical for the Metrolink to wait at that point for a freight to pass? If the Metorlink normally had no other traffic to deal with on that run, the engineer could have gotten complacent.


23 posted on 09/14/2008 10:22:05 AM PDT by MediaMole
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My oldest son used to work for Conrail as a dispatcher. He said that the engineer had to be familiar with that specific route in order to be assigned to that line that day. If he wasn't, there should have been a "pilot" with him who knew the route.

I asked my son if the dispatcher would have notified the engineer ahead of time that he was going to be stopped along the way for another train to pass. He said that under law, you couldn't do that, because the dispatcher couldn't know for sure exactly where the train would eventually be stopped. As well, because many of the signals are out of the hands of the dispatchers, he wouldn't know anyway. It's all a bit confusing to me.

Whoever the dispatcher is that was covering that route at the time of the accident, he's more than likely been suspended with pay indefinitely. It's standard practice to suspend employees like that when a derailment or accident occurs, at least until an investigation can be conducted.

24 posted on 09/14/2008 10:37:47 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: traumer

Our papers here are saying that the engineer was texting at 4:20PM with a group of train enthusiasts. The accident occurred around 4:22PM. When a Metrolink worker monitoring the computers noticed that the train hadn’t stopped at a red light he tried to send an emergency message to the engineer. It was too late.


25 posted on 09/14/2008 10:48:16 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: traumer

It’s an admission on their part and the honest thing to do. That, alone, will raise all kinds of suspicions, but with the technology as it is, it’s extremely unlikely that they’re wrong. Even if the light itself had burned out the engineer would be under the same obligation to stop.


26 posted on 09/14/2008 11:05:43 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: TommyJoe

One of the Metrolink people said there had been signal problems on that stretch.

The fact the the engineer reportedly was texting is damning but I hope the NTSB gets to the bottom of what really happened.


27 posted on 09/14/2008 11:09:21 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (PALIN-MANIA ... I haz it!)
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To: traumer
Within an hour of the train collision, dispatching computer tapes would have been pulled. Technicians with supervisors would have checked the signal to see if there was any problem.
The engineer of the metro link train reported no problems.
I agree that the announcement that the cause was human error was premature. But the NTBS will come up with the same conclusion. After 25 years on a major railroad you know how things work. Everyone takes shortcuts and does things they should not do. 99 times out of a hundred we get away with it.Its that one time——as in the case of a friend that lost a finger from working on a running machine, ignoring all safety rules simply because it is the way he always did it-— it is that one time that will get you. The engineer of the Metro link train run out of times.
28 posted on 09/14/2008 11:10:03 AM PDT by kycoop
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To: devere
If the dead guy was the employee of the rail authority, it makes no legal difference for civil suits. The rail authority is responsible, just like Exxon was responsible for employing the drunken tanker captain.

Good point, though naming him so quickly does offer cover for any other individual that may or may not have been at fault.

Lots of unanswered questions at this time, though. Was the signal really red? Was any attempt made to radio the engineer or otherwise warn him? Is there some automation built into the system that would prevent this? Does the dispatcher have any indication of train locations along the tracks?

29 posted on 09/14/2008 11:44:53 AM PDT by meyer (Go, Sarah, Go!!)
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To: devere

For heaven’s sake, the airlines have had collision avoidance systems for many years. How about installing such systems on trains? In particular ones that share a track with oncoming traffic. A low cost way to save lives, avoid massive property damage, etc. The Executives of this rail authority should be held criminally liable for negligent homicide. Think that this would happen again if they were so held? No way!


30 posted on 09/14/2008 11:59:55 AM PDT by GregoryFul
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“The Executives of this rail authority should be held criminally liable for negligent homicide.”

Sounds good to me, but don’t hold your breath.


31 posted on 09/14/2008 12:37:54 PM PDT by devere
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