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Kim Jong-il's Eldest Son 'Leaves N.Korea' (back to Beijing)
Chosun Ilbo ^ | 09/17/08

Posted on 09/16/2008 7:59:41 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Kim Jong-il's Eldest Son 'Leaves N.Korea'

Kim Jong-nam (37), the eldest son of North Korea’s apparently ailing leader Kim Jong-il, reportedly left Pyongyang and arrived in Beijing last weekend, it emerged on Tuesday.

A South Korean government source said Kim Jong-nam was in Pyongyang to attend celebrations of the country’s 60th anniversary on Sept. 9, and he flew to Beijing by Air Koryo with others, probably last weekend.

There is speculation that Kim Jong-il must be on the mend if Jong-nam, a potential candidate to take power in case his father is incapacitated, has left Pyongyang. But a South Korean official familiar with North Korean affairs said, "It's possible that Kim Jong-nam may have left Pyongyang for a while for personal reasons. There is no reason directly to link his travel to Beijing with Kim Jong-il's health."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; kimjongil; kimjongnam; nkorea; northkorea; stroke

1 posted on 09/16/2008 7:59:41 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/16/2008 8:00:12 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Just going for Chinese take out. ;-)


3 posted on 09/16/2008 8:01:55 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I think the son is a very smart man to get out of NK... his dad is a paranoid wacko...


4 posted on 09/16/2008 8:02:36 PM PDT by John123 (Obambi said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

He just needs a good egg roll and some butt kicking pirated CDs with wock-n-woll.


5 posted on 09/16/2008 8:04:01 PM PDT by avacado
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Won't this make Kim Jong-Il...

So Ronery?


6 posted on 09/16/2008 8:04:33 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: John123
Or he could serve as a liaison between China and Kim Jong-il, plotting his ultimate comeback with Chinese help.
7 posted on 09/16/2008 8:05:22 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Maybe he's out of town because #2, Cho Myong-nok, head of the general political bureau, has some ideas.

yitbos

8 posted on 09/16/2008 8:05:30 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: John123

If his father was not gravely ill, the son would not be allowed out of the country … positive news. ;-)


9 posted on 09/16/2008 8:06:19 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: bruinbirdman

With Kim Jong-il, there is no number two.


10 posted on 09/16/2008 8:13:44 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: bruinbirdman

With Kim Jong-il, there is no number two.


11 posted on 09/16/2008 8:13:51 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: doc1019
Ok, #1 Cho Myong-nok, which means what?

yitbos

12 posted on 09/16/2008 8:16:06 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I thought it was his youngest son? I’m confused


13 posted on 09/16/2008 8:19:25 PM PDT by nuconvert (Obama - Preferred by 4 out of 5 Dictators & Terrorists// Rove>Biden is a Big,Blowhard Dufus)
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To: bruinbirdman

Only #1 when the little fat basta$d (dear leader) is dead. ;-)


14 posted on 09/16/2008 8:23:42 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: doc1019
"Only #1 when the little fat basta$d (dear leader) is dead. ;-)"

Deductive!

"There have been press accounts saying that regular North Korean military forces did not participate in the [60th anniversary] parade. If that’s true, it could be an indication, if there’s uncertainty within the leadership, of not wanting to have excess military troops inside the capital."

yitbos

15 posted on 09/16/2008 8:26:49 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Just proves - CHina pulls the strings in the hell-hole that is N. Korea.

China likes having a pliant buffer state on its border.


16 posted on 09/16/2008 8:35:51 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: TigerLikesRooster

17 posted on 09/16/2008 8:43:12 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: bruinbirdman

And if #1 son is next in line, next in line without any resistance, I don’t think he would be off gallivanting in China just now. I believe that there is a shakeup happening before our very eyes in NK.


18 posted on 09/16/2008 8:43:43 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: doc1019
Yes, the public facade of calm can be deceiving.
19 posted on 09/16/2008 8:45:29 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Jet Jaguar; monkapotamus; Tamar1973; nw_arizona_granny; All

OH OH did Kim have arguement with his son or his girlfriend did I mean Kim Jong 11 girlfriend

I think family feud brewin Tiger


20 posted on 09/16/2008 8:46:02 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

?


21 posted on 09/16/2008 8:48:46 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: doc1019
You know, there is no outward indication of power struggle or shooting-war in the street at this time. Or no visible sign of government in disarray, high-ranking officials suddenly defecting.

Still, there are lot going on behind the scene. The course of future E. Asian geopolitical landscape may be being decided now.

22 posted on 09/16/2008 8:54:36 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: doc1019
"I believe that there is a shakeup happening before our very eyes in NK."

" His sons have not been groomed or designated to be the heir, which suggests that it would be very difficult for them to easily step into the role of the supreme leader. More likely, they would be a figurehead for much more powerful figures behind the scenes.

Kim Jong-nam has, by all reports, not been in North Korea very often over the last several years since he was kicked out of Japan. As the first son, he would be the one we’d expect to be the heir apparent. But it’s very difficult to build a patronage system and maintain alliances within the regime if you’re outside of it.

The other two sons, Kim Jong-chol and Kim Jong-un, are both in their 20s. Kim Jong Il started being groomed as successor in 1963 when he started to accompany his father on military guidance inspection tours. He became the heir apparent in the early 1980s and replaced Kim Il Sung in 1994 upon his father’s death. So, that was a 30-year period of preparing to become the successor, and none of the sons has had that sort of experience. "

yitbos

23 posted on 09/16/2008 8:59:52 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It was many years before the starvation of the populace of NK became general knowledge. With a super secret society such as NK, who knows what is happening there.


24 posted on 09/16/2008 9:06:43 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: bruinbirdman
His sons have not been groomed or designated to be the heir

As do many potentates … he never believed he would die, or become incapacitated. Therefore, no need to groom a successor.

25 posted on 09/16/2008 9:14:55 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: doc1019
"Therefore, no need to groom a successor."

"A succession crisis could also lead to warlordism within North Korea as provincial leaders seek to carve out areas of control, and they may have access to weapons of mass destruction. This could possibly lead to a civil war within the regime that could be very destabilizing. If this regime implodes and collapses, having some sort of soft landing, where you would have an eventual reunification, could get really complicated." Reading the Tea Leaves in Pyongyang

yitbos

26 posted on 09/16/2008 9:26:37 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: SevenofNine

I think family feud brewin Tiger<<<

I think you might be correct.

Or is he safely out of the country, in case trouble develops, maybe from the starving people?


27 posted on 09/17/2008 2:08:09 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Bump.


28 posted on 09/17/2008 2:09:15 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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